OK Denob I know what you are thinking.....SPAM. However you have to admit the title "Building Prepper Communities using the Kibbutz model" is a good one. It shows that this particular model works and is also sustainable. That being said this is the second post from this member and IDENTICAL to the first post. It does not seem to originate from a spam server so let's wait and see giving Ferjuna a chance to explain.

OK Denob I know what you are thinking.....SPAM. However you have to admit the title "Building Prepper Communities using the Kibbutz model" is a good one. It shows that this particular model works and is also sustainable. That being said this is the second post from this member and IDENTICAL to the first post. It does not seem to originate from a spam server so let's wait and see giving Ferjuna a chance to explain.

My thoughts exactly. If I thought for sure that this was spam, it would be gone by now, however, the post seems to have merit. I, for one would love to hear more about the model and how it could be used to create a prepper community.

To ICRCC and Denob,
I agree as well, if you look both posts are completely the same, word for word and yet I also thought how appropriate.

Even if they copy Wiki word for word, they could've at least put in some private thoughts on the matter at the end. In light of quite a few posts and commentaries on communities, I also enjoyed the read and wondered the same things.

Yes I agree it is an interesting topic and had done some reading on it some years ago.
I guess a few hippy type communal properties were based on this sort of model but with the general use of drugs as one of the common threads most were doomed to fail...whereas the kibbutz would have a religious common thread that would bind it together.
Shame most in the west only see the hippy side of communal living.
From memory some of the kibbutz I read about years ago had seperate dorms for all the kids to sleep in which I didn't much like!!!!
Not enough like minded people around here to even contemplate doing it though but it is interesting to see the models work in Israel 🙂

Guys and gals, I think there may be some confusion here...
If y'all don't mind, I'll elaborate a little on what I mean: kibbutz, really, is a social, organizational and economic model for managing a commune, its members, and its property. That's it.
Everything else - be it ideology, motivation, religion/secularism, self-sustenance vs. cooperation, defensive capabilities - is a variable that is more or less applicable to any other sort of settlement, communal or not.

While the idea of preppers' / survivalists' retreat for a community or group of like-minded people is an obvious common place (that I don't think requires any further convincing of anyone here), I won't necessarily pick the kibbutz model for sharing the resources and labour. Even in Israel there are other models of agricultural settlements, based on different ideas and different degrees of what actually is shared among the members.
Kibbutz (in its original form) takes commune to the extreme of having no (or almost no) personal/private property, with everyone sharing the labour and its fruit. This was an experiment in pure socialism, which has largely failed by the end of 90-s, and the kibbutzim that still exist have gradually shifted to more liberal approaches to private property, to the idea of the members earning their wages outside of the kibbutz, and - blasphemy! - even to using money in the internal transactions!
Many of them still owe significant amounts of money to the state, BTW. So, I won't run forward with the slogan of their self-sustainability... 😎

Oh, and regarding their ability to repel attacks by overwhelming Arab forces during the War of Independence... IMO, this has nothing to do with the social and economic organisation of these communes, but rather with just the quality and the motivation of the people involved...

Until it happens, it all just theory and wishful thinking.

Try to look up "Moshav Shitufi".
And... Have you got any first-hand knowledge of living in a kibbutz? Or is it just a pure theory for you?
Because I had a chance to live in a kibbutz for over a year - and let me tell ya, with all its perks, it is a faaaar cry from being that idealistic image you're painting.
So I would be cautious with claiming that it is working today: it really is not working that well; as I said, the majority of kibbutzim have succumbed to economic troubles, and those that keep afloat remain "kibbutz" in almost nothing but the name.

But then again, why do you keep insisting on trying to mix the economic model with the idea of a retreat community?
Survival community, its members and their private/shared property may be managed in so many different ways, not necessarily described by a concrete historical analogy... For me, the system described in Rowles' "Patriots" has much higher chances to be achieved in the real world than any idealistic socialist experiment.

I was going to unsubscribe to this thread for some obvious reasons..

KHK.. I am staying because of your knowledge and understanding of situations in a Mature and Learned fashion. Thank you for sharing and taking the time to educate us.
cheers ~WildE

KHK.. I am staying because of your knowledge and understanding of situations in a Mature and Learned fashion. Thank you for sharing and taking the time to educate us.

Thank you, WildE, glad to oblige 😎

Ferjuna everyone has their own personal ideas about to what level and how they want to prepare. It starts with a plan and unfolds over time. Some are quite happy with a 72 hours emergency supply others with a couple of weeks worth of supplies. Some intend to bug in, others to bug out. Your plan appears to based around a Kibbutz Community which is fine.

You wrote "Clocks ticking guys, your in or your out............" Really, are you kidding me? Are you so naive to believe the rest of are sitting round "pontificating about WTF we should do". There are many serious, well prepared preppers that are members of this forum. No matter what happens or when it happens we will have lots of food for this year, next year, the year after and from then onward. How about you? Can you make that claim? Many of the seasoned preppers on this forum would probably find your latest comments offensive.

Your plan appears to be to form a group based on a model that may or may not work. One of the hardest tasks that a prepper can undertake is to form a group. Many groups attempt to get off the ground but very few succeed. Usually the people participating have been prepping for some time and well developed and practiced individual plans. For successful groups diversity of skills is absolutely essential. What is your level of preparedness? You appear to be well read but what have you actually done? You mentioned a wood gassifier. Have you built one? I wish you luck with your endeavour but I would make an educated guess that you will not be able to interest people in your idea with statements like "Clocks ticking guys, your in or your out............".

FYI "your"in the context that you use it is a contraction for you are, as such it is correctly written you're.

To quote ferjuna..."And I'll be SOL with you guy's pontificating about WTF we should do." I'm not sure exactly what is meant by that but in the context it would seem the inference is that this person is depending on us (someone) to take care of them.. to have the plan and resources to do so. Not sure if I have that right but it is how I read that. Please accept my appologies and clarify if I am wrong. Comments?

JAB

Oh well... I think now *I* am going to unsubscribe from this topic...

Oh well... I think now *I* am going to unsubscribe from this topic...

well now, since your going.. I am now gone as well. KHK thanks for the real info, out of here now, been a .......

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After reading through your posts I am wondering when you are actually going to post something of prepping value. Your community idea started off as an interesting subject.

If you are just interested in that type of community living, may I suggest you post something on Craigs List, Kijiji or in your local paper. You may have more luck. Or perhaps just join a community in your area.