FACEPALM !!! I am done with this thread too.

Mod's?

It has nothing to do with race and everything to do with the fact that what little you have said has had nothing to do with prepping. You have ignored questions on what stage of prepping you are on, your skill set, etc. You have said nothing to convince me that you would be an asset to my group.

The boards are filled with ideas of different styles of community living that deal with prepping. Maybe you should have taken the time with an open mind to read the other opinions or ideas. Maybe then you would not be throwing out the race card.

Done with this too

(edit for grammar)

Then I invite you to LEAVE
we do not need Trolls with Racist comments here,
Here everyone is Blue and white..

Blue names
white backgrounds

Mod's?

Yes?

I have read the thread from beginning to end.
I do not find that any mod has taken a side in a disagreement.
I do find that a mod tried to cool tempers and point out to a new member what they may be doing to cause discord...this is a mod's job.
I have found that although ferjuna may not fit the exact definition of a troll, use of rude behavior exists in at least 2 posts.
Therefor, the user is hereby given an access restriction of one week.
I did not find that any other members resorted to rude behavior or name calling, so no others penalties are due.
The "facepalm" comment simply demonstrates that the member has become frustrated with the direction of the thread.

Please, let's get this thread back on track about the building of using the Kibbut model to build prepper communities.
Other than the pure definition previously offered, what exactly is this model, and how can it be used to build such communities?

Thanks

Denob,
in an effort to put some meat in the bread of the thread 🙂
The following link is a Kibbutz that is doing some experimental builds. The builds use geodesic domes with straw bale in the Heat of the middle east. The link shows the full build and is done quite nicely for information.

http://www.youtube.com/user/KibbutzLotan/videos?flow=grid&view=0

At a risk of digressing from the original topic (kibbutz), but still somewhat relevant to the subject brought up by WildE: something that may be more applicable for Canadian climate than straw cabins...
Earthship house:

http://earthship.com/designs

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Wy-az9HHfRY
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N2so9hyNWxc

There were several points made about the Kibbutz model, mostly regarding communal living.
I think that a prepper community wouldd need to have a lot of community property such as gardening tools, fishing & hunting equipment, defensive gear etc.
But also, every member should expect to be able to have access to his or her own hammer or screwdriver or rifle or whatever when they need it, and therefore be justified in keeping certain useful items from being considered communal property.
Also, in regards to labour, all of this would need to be shared "each to his own ability". But would this not require that the group accept members based on the skills they have and could possibly learn?
Would it mean that those unable to contribute anything at all be excluded?
I think that we would have to be careful in excluding members though...elder members may not be able to perform certain work tasks, but could be teaching skills to others, which has value in itself. Some may argue that very young members be excluded due to the fact that they are simply mouths to feed and require resources to be tended to. However, would they not soon grow to become valuable members and learn skills that could be useful?

Hmm...lots to consider.

Setting up a prepper group is simply not as easy as following a particular model, but every aspect needs to be considered by each and every group that is planning the community.

Denob, you're absolutely right.
Moreover, the least trivial task, IMO, is finding the group members that would be on the same page about all these subjects (and that are unlikely to change their minds very soon). The last thing you want in a post-SHTF scenario is to be "locked up" in a group retreat with a bunch of people that cannot agree on some of the more important principles and agenda items. I would even equate it to how the astronauts that are going to spend months together in a confined space are cherry-picked to fit in psychologically...
Back to the kibbutz, though: I think it's worth mentioning that even there, in the early years of their existence, there were serious schisms that eventually led to the kibbutz movement's splitting into 2, with many members leaving their original kibbutzim and founding new ones nearby. The same Dganiya that was mentioned in the originally quoted article had that happened, with the split tearing even families apart, and resulting in there now being 2 kibbutzim side by side: Dganiya A and Dganiya B.

No silver bullets and magic solutions.
Just a lot of meticulous planning, and a lot of working together *before* SHTF, to find out who is who 🙂

This thread turned into a gong show but I consider it an extremely relevant discussion.
Ive lived in community before...and swore I would never do it again. The irony is not lost on me that I now consider Prepper community the single most important prep on wich all other preps stand of fall. If you are on your own, you will be prey to an organised group and you will lose everything. If you are convinced otherwise, the best example will be to ask yourself how well you could survive in a prison remaining a individual.
Any group of people is a bureaucratic nightmare. Period. You simply have to accept that fact and deal with it because you have no choice.
As Jean Vanier, founder of the Larche Communities, wrote,`In community you will meèt everyones monsters...and they will meet all of yours`.

Kibbutz is one model. Here are some others I have explored
The Intentional Community model
Transition Town (very relevant)
Organised Crime families and MC gangs
The SCA- Medieval Society (not as outlandish as it sounds. They organise events of thousands with almost zero crime or violence. There has always been a survivalist undercurrant within the group.)
Military Model (very direct...but...LOL without perky hippy chicks its just a bunch of agro dudes in the woods and not a life worth surviving 😆 )
Sports Team ( not my thing but...Go Wolverines!)

Time is short fore me today. Ill try to add more thoughts on the subject latter

Ive deciced to continue this discussion but as another thread. Doomsday community. http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=22&t=2468