Organised Crime and Goverment when the SHTF

As much as I think voting really doesnt matter much in todays world since we all are a form of tax, I would think an unelected government would be the enemy of the populace. I would not recognize any form that is unelected as a ruling body and therefore I would do what I must to make sure they do not succeed, even if it is in my little plot of land. Trading old crap for new crap is not very appealing.

As much as I think voting really doesnt matter much in todays world since we all are a form of tax, I would think an unelected government would be the enemy of the populace. I would not recognize any form that is unelected as a ruling body and therefore I would do what I must to make sure they do not succeed, even if it is in my little plot of land. Trading old crap for new crap is not very appealing.

Wether its apealing or not is not the issue. There will be alot of things we simply have no say in...unless you have the ability to organise several hundred people wich is way outside of my pay scale. During the fall of the USSR, the Russian and Chechnian Mafias became the defacto governments. It was not a choice of the population. It just was. As for the modern Russia that rose afterward, the Mob, government and buisness are deeply intertwined...same as in the US. I used to live in an area controlled by a group that I wont publicly use the name of here for safety reasons. It was safer than anywhere else in the city in spite of a well publicised shooting that happened a few blocks away from the home we moved from. Make no mistake about it. They are a well organised ARMY of thousands with thousands of more 'hangers on' trying to prove themselves to join. I covertly watched a number of their tactics wile they provided security during meetings. I could not touch their organisasional ability and would be fool to think I could. I know because I ran myself through several stratigies including theoretical bombings and finaly came to grips with that I would not be able to even destabalise them let alone remove them. Thats not even discussing the 5 puppet clubs I saw working for them that kept them from being prosecuted. Way outside of my pay scale.

I think that where you live will make a difference to a point on how much of a effect this will have, having said that regardless if it will be current "groups" it will certainly be someone and their buddy's that will form a local group that will have much the same effect.

If you look back into history, it will be certained around very large and very strong family and famiy ties, I think that would come into play even in the new future you are talking about, if you have a family that has lived in a area for 4 or 6 gens, and they are a strong willed family and have married into the other strong, land owner families, they are much more likely to work together and provide protection for both their own and who they consider important to the "area" or village being able to fuction.

If you have single troublemakers, the odds are good they would be taken out and taken care of, those that have land, muscle, guns and the will to use it, will soon rule their own tiny kingdom, and then it will become a matter of who works together and who fights etc..

Look to the history of clans, then at some point, there will be a need to work together and you will move on to having a leader or someone will have better land, better resources and soon they will have stronger and better trained folks then the ones down the river, so the ones down the river will tade off x amount of what they make or grow or raise or harvest per year to keep the peace and the cycle moves on..

i dont organied crim is gonna be to much of an issue for physical harm. Organizd crime is about one thing, profit. So they will more then likley try to take controle of certine markets such as amunition, alcohol, drugs, firearms, etc (pretty much e erything the government regulates already). If you can make any of those you will more then likley be protected by organized crime and provided with your own personal body guards. Hisotry has proven that organized crime tends to thrive when harships come in, the step in and pretty much do the job the government wont do becuase it would mean they have to give some of our tax dollars back to us. After all lack of product to sell and the death of there customers is bad for business. Id be more concerned about the un organized crime that will just kill and loot. Even when it comes to violence organized crime try to take care of there business quietly where unorganized crime will shoot through anyone to get who there after. Im not supporting organized crime but honestly I would prefer to be surrounded by those that are willing to provide me with what i consider essentials and/or pleasures instead of people trying to take those away. Perhaps in a time of crises our goverment wont try to unarm us and ban products but they dont have to good of a track record for that. I do agree that alot of will depend where you are, un organized crime isnt going to go to far from its hunting grounds so larger populated areas with lots of people for easy pickings will have more "thugs", more organized crime will go to where they can make money be it to pick up products, or drop off products. You dont often see a member of your local crips or bloodz out in the bush but its not uncommon for a mafi boss to have a nice house out in the country.

Wether its apealing or not is not the issue. There will be alot of things we simply have no say in...unless you have the ability to organise several hundred people wich is way outside of my pay scale. During the fall of the USSR, the Russian and Chechnian Mafias became the defacto governments. It was not a choice of the population...

We have a say in everything, we CHOOSE not to have a say. People follow blindly and thats why they end up in tyranny through banks and corrupt governments. Too lazy and weak hearted to revolt. Those groups you talk of make examples out of a few people and then millions follow. How is it that 320 million people fall into the hands of a few thousand or tens of thousands? Changing a mindset is difficult but it can be done. The shift of power is simple if the ones in power fail to deliver. It is the same as fighting an army. Choke the supply lines to starve the troops. Gun against gun is a silly idea.

Please watch the whole clip.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HuTzd-uz7HM

thanks C5, that mental bubblegum is stuck in my hair

Good points C5 and Farmgal, you both having me thinking

I usually try to give you positive preps. This time I want to scare the shit out of you a bit. When I first saw this vid...I completely changed my solo survivor strategy. This is a gang hit in a small town. They move in, coke up, block the roads, search every vehical, make their hit on mass then move out on mass. It should frighten you as much as it did me.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eckuD1vN6Vk
This all took less than an hour.
Its why I push for organization so much. This one will stick with you forever

I agree with what Farmgal said location is everything!

Grav, I definately see where your coming from. By the way that was a great clip and that movie was good. Yes one person can make a difference, but it doesnt happen often. Id likely be the same way, put up a fight as much as i can without endangering my family. Shaping the minds of many in a short time is not impossible but unlikely to happen, weve been brainwashed for the most part unfortunately, and hard headedness is growing ever so rampid.

C5, You are right to an extent there will be multi level organized crime Or standard government as i see em, they'll likely be little difference other than penalties, punishments. That vid from mexico was interesting, Ill definately admit that would be scary but then again i have that questioning going on in the back of my head, dont civilians have guns in mexico? if not that answers alot of questions. Hard to say if something like that could go down here.
You never know what the outcome could be, for all we know some organization could be the new government and end up being better than what we got now hahahahaha 😆

Well, the local armed villagers going down in a blaze of glory...thats taking for granted that they carried their asault rifles with them at all times...Im guessing, would probably have been cowed into submission just the same. Unforunately, you would need a small army constantly waiting for that to arive.

10 organized people could have slowed that. Sometimes, thats enough to make the other guy think...but...even trained soldiers rarely fight unwinnable wars

Yes, Location, Location, Location. Thats why we moved here. That said, we still never figured in The Clans. They have been backstabbing each other since coming here. In some ways, Its the same all over, whether its the Walkers on the prairies or the Kennedies. I figure you have three options. Go into complete suclusion and face the dangers, or poverty that entails. Marry into that clan or be the bitch boy. Or Ogranize, keep to yourselves and do enough Psyops to make them fear you. Enough fear to make them not try something without counting the cost. Not so much fear that they feel they must remove you.

C5 i didnt mean the people getting car jacked, i mean all the people that live around the area, theres houses everywhere a couple neighbors with hunting rifles on the hill above them would have done tremendous damage. What astonishes me about the video isnt how fast and somewhat calculating they were it was that the cops drove right up to them to be shot, at least thats what i got from the vid anyway.

Yes, I wasnt quite sure about the cop part. Were the gangsters using police lights...or...did the police come up but could do nothing...or...Were the police working for them...or.... Well, plenty to think abot

Silly me, Here all these years I thought the Government was Organized crime. 😈