hey Eggman,
based on the original article I posted, I agree with the author that the economy has a small chance of winding down slowly. The fact that our food system is based on 'just in time' delivery means even a small disruption in global trade could have serious implications. We are in a credit crisis and once credit starts to freeze up businesses grind to a halt.

You're right about tent cities though I think. I think many people even though it makes no sense, will want to stay in the cities.

But you're last question is the most important. What we're talking about is re-booting civilization. We'll be starting over, but not starting from scratch. We have more than 50,000 years of human culture to draw from. So where do we begin?

I think the most important prep is getting to know the people on this board well. I think this can only realistically happen face to face. I started another thread about the next get together.

In another thread, someone mentioned that the optimum number for a post-collapse group is about 35 (I think that's what he said). I thought it was around 200. But his argument was that around 200 is a good number once things are sustainable. Basically when self-sufficient smaller groups can start to come together. So I guess the first step is finding that group.

If you live in a city I don't think you would want to stick around for very long.

This could be avoided by having debt forgiveness. No government should borrow money with interest from a bank ever. The government should be the bank. No central bank should exist anywhere.

Hi LeyroyRod that guy was me. I was basing it on research that I have done. The first step is to form that group. There may be existing well established groups out there but if there are they must keep pretty much to themselves and I have not seen any requests for members to join an established group, at least not on this site. However there are meetings and get togethers that are very worthwhile. The meetings are Provincial based. Ontario because of its size and population centers tends to be subdivided into geographical areas for its prepper meetings. Just follow the posts to see when the next one is close to your area.

Well Gravlore you're probably right. The only problem with that theory is that the only presidents in history that ordered money be printed through the National Treasury Department interest free both ended up being publically executed with a bullet through their heads. That was President Lincoln near the end of the Civil War and President Kennedy in the mid-sixties.

The Federal Reserve frowns on circumventing their central banking system. I will never be able to figure out a system that prints money for a national government and releases it to them at interest particularly when that interest cost is now in the range of 14 trillion and can never be repaid from the national treasury. It has recently been estimated that for every dollar printed there is only a national treasury reserve of four cents to guarantee it. I don't know how they come to those estimates because the Federal Reserve does not have to (nor will it) open up it's books to either the Treasury Department or Congress. It is an unregulated entity unto itself.

Little wonder the only option left to secure your economic debt and stability is through military will.

It's great to be a Canadian but golly gee....you just can't pick your darn neighbours can you?

Maybe if some of us started to illegally cross the border for work they'd build a fence to keep us on our own side. A big fence makes good neighbours, especially if they pay for it. No sweat...they'll just print some more and borrow it at interest, after all it would be in their national defense.

Let me see if I'm missing anything.
In March, the DHS orders up 450 million rounds of .40 cal. hollowpoint ammo.
Last month rumours started that in Sept./Oct. an event is going to happen that will require large city police forces to need military assistance.
Last week, the U.S. national weather service (NOAA) started buying 10s of thousands of rounds of ammo.
Last week, the Social Services Administration started buying many 10s of thousands of rounds of ammo.
Last week, the DHS ordered up another 750 million rounds of ammo.
Now, the big megabanks are being told by the Federal Reserve to prepare for an imminent financial collapse.
Senior executives of those big megabanks are starting to buy property in remote locations.
A great many of those same senior execs. (most notably George Soros) are starting to sell off their shares and stocks and are now buying gold in the hundreds of millions.

Is it just me, or is anyone else starting to get that antsy feeling. Granted, this is happening in the U.S., but considering the close political/cultural/financial/industrial/geographic/etc. ties we have with them, I think we need to be concerned too. When I think about what's going on and the "event" predicted for Sept./Oct., the phrase "bank holiday" springs to mind. Of course, I could just be paranoid.

Well for me there is no way I can pay my measly 35K in debt by that time so our current funds are going to more preps. I guess if next spring rolls around with no incident then we can look at the debt thing again. No worries I have 0 collateral on it 🙂 🙂 🙂

As far as the news that gets out no matter what the source, it seems it is always done on purpose as a smoke screen to what the big news is. The big news gets little attention, such as the LIBOR scandal. For anyone who doesn't know what it is, I suggest you google (or whatever your search engine is) it!

Canada will get into this mess once the government pensions get slammed and leaves plenty with nothing.

A number of scenarios can play out from there, governments begin printing money which either leads to massive inflation or deflation.

😀 Did you miss QE1 and QE2 ???

Many say QE3 is already underway secretly behind closed doors.

Radio Liberty is also worth listening to...Stan interviews some interesting people on some damn interesting topics. They are downloadable from their archives at http://www.soundwaves2000.com/radio_liberty/

Is it just me, or is anyone else starting to get that antsy feeling. Of course, I could just be paranoid.

If you are paranoid it is perfectly justifiable.

I have to try and concentrate on everyday life sometimes and forget about the global financial world because sometime I feel like I will panic if I don't just sit back and take time to smell the roses.

Me 'Antsy'....Oh Yeah

Sometimes I wake up and think "Damn I wish it would just collapse", I hate this waiting game, but then I want more time to prep...can't have it both ways though!
I find myself looking at other peoples trolleys in the supermarket and thinking "I bet you wouldn't be buying all this worthless stuff if you knew what was just around the corner."

Let me see if I'm missing anything.
In March, the DHS orders up 450 million rounds of .40 cal. hollowpoint ammo.
Last month rumours started that in Sept./Oct. an event is going to happen that will require large city police forces to need military assistance.
Last week, the U.S. national weather service (NOAA) started buying 10s of thousands of rounds of ammo.
Last week, the Social Services Administration started buying many 10s of thousands of rounds of ammo.
Last week, the DHS ordered up another 750 million rounds of ammo.
Now, the big megabanks are being told by the Federal Reserve to prepare for an imminent financial collapse.
Senior executives of those big megabanks are starting to buy property in remote locations.
A great many of those same senior execs. (most notably George Soros) are starting to sell off their shares and stocks and are now buying gold in the hundreds of millions.

Is it just me, or is anyone else starting to get that antsy feeling. Granted, this is happening in the U.S., but considering the close political/cultural/financial/industrial/geographic/etc. ties we have with them, I think we need to be concerned too. When I think about what's going on and the "event" predicted for Sept./Oct., the phrase "bank holiday" springs to mind. Of course, I could just be paranoid.

Where can I read more about this???

Well I wonder what the Bilderberg group might have to do with this, maybe the NWO. Only they would profit from this. 😈

Ah you forgot FEMA and their $1 Billion dehydrated food order of last year.
http://www.examiner.com/article/terror-threats-rising-as-fema-orders-1-billion-dehydrated-food
😈

Hi LeroyRod: check out SHTFPlan.

Not sure if anyone has already mentioned it, but the rense show and website is a pretty good place to get info not covered in the mainstream. He does have the odd nutjob on from time to time but in all, a not so bad place to get info to make one think.

You can also get a few tidbits from Armaggedon Online. Sometimes you'll find something new in the Extinction Protocol.

Taz, are you talking about my girl ELE again. 😆 Extinction Level Event.
http://www.armageddononline.org/extinction_event.php
😀 🙂 😐 🙁 😯 😈