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http://www.survivalblog.com/2010/11/letter_re_a_veteran_policemans.html

Letter Re: A Veteran Policeman's Observations on The Golden Horde
Tuesday, Nov 30, 2010
James,
A lot has been written warning us of what will happen when the City Dwellers find their homes are untenable and vacate [en masse as The Golden Horde] for "the country", but I haven't seen anything on what the make-up of these hordes will be. The generic term "city dwellers" encompasses a lot of territory. Who will they be,what kind of shape will they be in, how will they be armed...all of these need to be examined.

One category needs to be examined, I feel, more closely than others. Since I have seen posts on your site lately dealing with the nitty-gritty, unpleasant aspects of prepping, I think this is a needed look into what's out there. I've been a cop over 20 years, my last uniform assignment before moving to Investigator being a two year stretch of Anti-Crime patrols in the Section 8 Housing projects of my city. This put me into contact with some of the "Worst of the Worst" that will be fleeing the cities in time of trouble. Gang-bangers, common street thugs, dope dealers and users, all have a place in the hierarchy of the streets. And they will certainly be part of what preppers will be facing in times of troubles. Here's some of what I have learned:

The bottom rung is occupied by the drug addicts and users. They exist, not live as we understand the word. They have no assets, no goals, no drive. But they do have an almost animal instinct to continue living. They will be armed with anything they can steal or lay hands on. Most will have a knife of razor box cutter, and some sort of cheap pistol, or they will not live to get out of the city. Since they have no resources or assets, they will be on the edge of starvation and desperation almost within a day of an event. With no fixed residence or place to defend, they will be hitting the road and coming towards us. They will become violent without any provocation and there will be no negotiating or bargaining with them. They don't want to hear your story or excuses. All they want is what you have. And have no doubts: They will do anything to get what they want. And this does include catering to their most base instincts of rape, murder and mutilation. Letting someone like this even close to you and what you have is flirting with death.

The next and most numerous will be the drones who make up the majority of the project dwellers. They live on Government Entitlement checks, have no assets and, on any given day will have no more than 3 or 4 days supply of food in their apartments,most of this being refrigerated. There will be a high percentage of females without male companions,will have a large number of children and will be absolutely vicious and violently inclined. Their day to day existence within the defined society they live in demands they be aggressive and violent.They fight more, and are arrested more,than the males they live around. The males will have more serious charges, but the females will have more of them. They too cannot be trusted. If they are drug users, they will, and have, traded their children for drugs, and, based on this proven behavior, will most certainly abandon them or trade them if the situation calls for it. Seeing that you are supplied, they will leave their children in your yard and walk away, counting on your liberal Good Samaritan instinct that has always bailed them out in the past to care for their offspring and justify that to themselves as "doing what they have to do". Knowing that they will do something as low as this,be assured they will do much worse. They habitually carry razor knives and small pistols such as .25 ACPs and .380 ACPs. They are very dangerous and unstable folks to be around. These females may or may not be accompanied by men. The males may be linked biologically to one or more of the children but will abandon them as easily as the females. These males come from the lower order of males (see next classification) and will be armed as described next.

The next order of classification will be unattached or drone males. These males tend to be convicted of felonies before they are 21 and who hang around the other, more productive males who deal drugs and have money. They will also be the so-called "foot soldiers" of the drug and street gangs. They exhibit sociopathic behavior and have no allegiance to anyone except maybe a family member, usually referred to as a "cousin" or a gang. They live off the female drones by paying cash rent, gained by low level drug dealing and petty crimes, to a female who has Section 8 housing, for a room that they sleep in and usually have no other attachment such as taking meals there.They live off fast food,carry guns of dubious origin and consume massive amounts of drugs and alcohol, mostly beer and cheap brandy and marijuana. They will not have any assets to defend, may accompany the female who rents them a room and will hang around the cities and projects only as long as their cohorts do. They will leave in junky vehicles,steal what they need along the way and kill,rob,rape and pillage their way across the countryside. Their weapons tend to be of the pistol variety although they may have access to shortened, easily concealable shotguns or rifles. Their lifestyle doesn't give them a secure place to hide or keep long guns,but they will steal and use them if given a chance. They will also have some type of blade weapon and be proficient with the use of them. They are very dangerous to anyone who comes into contact with them. The last and highest order will be the moneyed drug dealer.He will have a flashy vehicle such as an Escalade or Lexus variety. He will have quality firearms, preferring Glock handguns and SKS or AK type rifles and will have ammunition for them in quanity.He will be arrogant and a definite killer. He will have assets to defend and may not leave his comfort zone until forced by authorities or circumstances. He will have "foot soldiers" and a woman traveling with him, but probably not children. He will travel well and be charming when trying to gain confidence or talk himself out of a jam. He will also be vicious and hateful, full of spite at those he sees as having taken away his lifestyle and means of making a living. He most probably will not have a lot in the way of supplies such as food and medical equipment, tending to live in the moment and not for the future. He will be one of the opportunistic "I'll just take what I need" types. He will be very cunning, having risen to the top of the street hierarchy,and all the more dangerous because of this.

When dealing with all of the above types, caution is the word. Never let them get even a glimpse of what you have. Never let them get past your outer barrier, be that a fence, abatis or boundary line. Its best to keep verbal contact to the barest minimum. A terse: "We have nothing, go away or we will shoot" is a good example. I have seen them be charming and seemingly harmless while edging into a fence gate or otherwise getting closer until they are in range to strike. You must always remember the 20 foot rule (Never let anyone get closer than 20 feet from you at any time). It is important to remember also that the longer they have been roaming and stealing,the better armed they may be, having stolen others firearms and equipment. Seeing an obvious street thug carrying an expensive scoped rifle or an engraved shotgun should be a tip off as to what they are. These type people would never spend money on a gun that may be taken by the law at anytime in their day to day existence. They do worship Glocks and the glamour they see in them. A dealer told me once, when confessing to an assault "I just outs with my Glock .40 and let it holla" as if he had done something great.

I know that most people who read your blogs are aware enough to keep strangers away from their refuge.But if someone has never lived around these types of people,they may not be aware of just how dangerous they really are. As I mentioned,they can be charming,cunning and decietful.They have lived their entire lives off the goodwill of others and The Government and are past masters at pretending to be needy,harmless and "safe". Guile is engrained in them. I leave you with one short story. In the days after Hurricane Katrina, we were reinforced with officers from other agencies, many states away, who had volunteered to help. (I was not in New Orleans, but on the edge of the hurricane strike) I was partnered with a state SWAT officer from up North. This man was experienced and a "steady hand". As we walked through some of the power blacked-out , sweltering-in-the-heat projects, he turned to me and said: "This is worse than Mogadishu". He was scared and had good reason to be. And this was after only three days of no electricity and relief was just starting to arrive. Think about those same areas after a real failure of services and food deliveries. Good Luck. Beware the Stobor. - Ed S.

Copyright 2005-2012 James Wesley, Rawles - SurvivalBlog.com All Rights Reserved


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Makes me miss my old neighborhood when I knew these types of people by name. Back then I had gang bangers, hookers and druggies help me on a regular bases with my house and gardens. They would have done anything to protect me. Mind you I fed them out of the garden on a regular bases too.

The neighborhood I live in now is supposed to be a "better" neighborhood but I still see hookers and druggies but I dont know them. Maybe I better make a point of getting to know them in case I need a few foot solders.



   
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(@henry)
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This is one of the best postings I have read.Very few people are talking about mental fitness and realistically looking at the picture of a real disaster.Lot of "preppers"are talking about "bug out"like they just take theirs bags walk out to the country site and they are safe.Unfortunately with roads blocked with cars thousands of people in the cities will do the same.That when the physical and MENTAL fitness will come to play.That when survival instinct will kick in .That when you need family and friends stick together .
Henry



   
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A sobering reminder to many of us that there are large numbers out there that do not share our liberally inclined, Christian based attitudes, have little to no morals and would take what you have or worse in a moment. Should there be a significant SHTF situation I fear that many people will fall prey to this these groups. It will be a painful and fast learning curve for many of us. I like the 20 feet rule it makes a lot of sense and offers protection from edged weapons. Also the saying as little as possible and keeping contact to a minimum makes good sense. This was definitely worth reading.



   
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(@threestorms)
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thanks for posting. Going to get some friends (Army, Police, Special Security) to give me feedback on what they think and will post



   
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(@rabbitteeth)
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Very good article. The law doesn't eliminate negative elements, it merely holds it at bay. The true test of a society is what happens when that barrier comes crashing down.



   
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Leave your bayonet on your SKS and do a little practice. It DOES make a statement.



   
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Chimo
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There is another factor that I believe is very important and overlooked all to often..
I believe there are basically two types of people in the world..
1. People that do the right thing because they are driven to do so, and
2. People that do the right thing because they are afraid of the repercussions of doing whatever they like versus the right ting..

Years gone by it was easy to control #2 as the vast majority believed in some form of organized religion, and that if they did bad things they would burn in hell for ever..
But not any more....
I think that when the next issue is at hand, it will be honest people that will be outnumbered, by people with no fear of repercussion, and no fear of hell..
Do believe in Hell?? No. Do I believe in people? Some. Do I think that the other 50% will be an issue.....oh yeah.

Survive by thinking, growing, learning..

Chimo


Chimo...
When All else fails--BIP--


   
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WOW can't say enough about this post. If I could write like that I would have written it myself. I have said in the past I do not prep for earthquake, EMP, solar event or even something as simple as a localized power outage from a storm, I prep because of people.

I have lived on the street as a teenager so have first hand experiance with what it is like to have nothing and what its like to do any thing for your next meal whether it be cheat steal lie or dumpster dive or take by force. I have a son who is described to a tee as a drone, in and out of jail for years into drinking, drugs, running prostitutes, guns and settles things with his fists. Over the years I have tried to get him to realize that getting off in court with a crime is not the same as not doing it in the first place. He has told me himself that working does not suit his way of life. I am a christian fellow and seen so many people that I know my son could twist their minds to believe any thing he wants. This is the way with people in this situation they will tell you what you want to here to get you to drop your guard but do not turn your back or give them a chance close enough to see what you have and they might need!!

I hope by the time SHTF I will be part of a BO community holed up with people I can trust and who trust me.In my mind this is the only way to survive the hordes. To the writer of this article I say well done. To myself I say keep these things in mind when makeing my plan.

Like I said wish I could write like this author to say all the same things.


We live in a society of wolves ,
We can't fight back by creating more sheep


   
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(@henry)
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Hey Mule Skinner. I completely understand you .I have 3 boys put them trough university and 2 of them are just fantastic but the third does not give a sh...t about this world.I learned to leave with it. Just hope if something happens he remembers where his family is. The letter posting is the best reason and advice what to prep for
Henry



   
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(@mule-skinner)
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Thanks Henry


We live in a society of wolves ,
We can't fight back by creating more sheep


   
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