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Swiss Arms and CZ 858 re-classified to Prohibited status

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The RCMP re-classified the Swiss Arms Classic Green rifle and post 2006 CZ 858 rifles from a non-restricted/restricted status to a prohibited status last week (Yes, you read correctly). These rifles were previously approved by the RCMP for import and law-abiding Canadian citizens have been enjoying them for over a decade. Neither of them have been attributed to a criminal act in Canada as far as I know. It's uncertain how the RCMP plans to communicate this to the 12,000 plus rifle owners. Since it's non-restricted there is no long-gun registry. As such many of the rifles could be anywhere. With the new 'Prohibited' status anyone caught in possession could face serious penalties including jail time - although, the Minister of Public Safety has announced amnesty for current owners of these rifles (Details: https://nfa.ca/news/government-introduce-amnesty-swiss-arms-rifles-others ). The RCMP gave me a different story when I spoke with them earlier today stating that they intended on advising police forces across Canada of the re-classification. A rifle that we could previously take up to crown land and hunt or target practice with (without an ATT) now must be locked up and never used - this includes the ability to use it at certified ranges. While Public Safety Minister Steven Blaney has an amnesty of 5 years for possession of these rifles it's unclear what will happen after that. The RCMP previously stated that no compensation would be made totaling an estimated loss of over 12 million dollars from law-abiding, responsible firearm owners in Canada. The Swiss Arms Green rifle costs between $3500 - $4000. The CZ 858 costs around $800. The expectation was for owners to simply hand them over. The ethical issue is that the RCMP has said for years that is was ok to own these - now they are changing their mind. Many people feel that due to the RCMP's "mistake" the RCMP is responsible for compensation, although many gun advocates believe that the RCMP have no business deciding what is right or wrong where firearms classification is concerned.

For me personally, the more I research gun control in Canada, the more I feel the need for an independent and unbiased entity to take charge of all the laws and classifications surrounding all aspects of firearms from a logical and practical perspective.

More information and updates can be found on Canada's National Firearms Association: https://nfa.ca/news/canada%E2%80%99s-national-firearms-association-special-advisory


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With the right tools a man can make an AK-47 out of beer cans. This "possibly convertible to auto" business is retarded.



   
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With the right tools a man can make an AK-47 out of beer cans. This "possibly convertible to auto" business is retarded.

Agreed. I'm really disappointed with the RCMP's poor choice in judgement and deception to the Minister of Public Safety in this regard.

The first video on this page sums it up quite nicely: http://www.sunnewsnetwork.ca/sunnews/canada/archives/2014/03/20140303-190642.html


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Petition started by a member of parliament. Sign up boys and girls. Send this to all your friends too.

http://www.nominaterobanders.com/firearms_petition


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Petition started by a member of parliament. Sign up boys and girls. Send this to all your friends too.

http://www.nominaterobanders.com/firearms_petition

Won't let me uncheck the boxes for email and text message updates.



   
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I didn't say it was perfect I just said it's worth signing


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Petition started by a member of parliament. Sign up boys and girls. Send this to all your friends too.

http://www.nominaterobanders.com/firearms_petition

Petition signed and letter to MP sent:

Dear [censored]

Last week Canadians woke up to learn that overnight the RCMP reclassified a series of popular high-end sporting rifles from the NON-RESTRICTED status they have held since 2001, to PROHIBITED. Overnight, an estimated 12,000 upstanding citizens who own these rifles have been turned into ‘criminals’ facing the threat of 3 years in prison unless they comply with this inconceivably fascist demand and surrender without compensation, to the government for destruction.

The response of Canada’s 2 million+ firearms owners can be summed up in one word: Disappointment.

An Amnesty for 5 years, set in place by the Honorable Steven Blaney, has been seen by many as simply a delay in theft. The new ‘prohibited’ status means that law-abiding citizens cannot not enjoy the rifles that they legally acquired. While this is a step in the right direction much more needs to be accomplished by your government.

The RCMP has no right in creating or defining laws with respect to firearms in Canada. That’s what elected officials are for – not bureaucrats. Your government needs to strip the RCMP of these powers and introduce an independent and unbiased entity to take charge of all the laws and classifications surrounding all aspects of firearms from a logical and practical perspective. This is the only course of action that will be fair for everyone. Failing this the RCMP will continue to trample on the rights and freedoms of law-abiding, firearms owners in Canada.

What do you intend on doing to safeguard and reinstate the rights of firearms owners in [censored]?

I advise everyone here to do the same and write to their MP, regardless if you own a firearm or not. This isn't about the fact that firearms law was changed. It's about bureaucrats changing laws and not elected officials. This affects our rights and freedoms as Canadian citizens and the only way to challenge them from a civil manner is to write to your MP. I never have before or even cared to until this happened.

For the most part I've minded my own business and stayed away from political agendas. I never put much care into what politicians do. However, this disappointing move by the RCMP has single-highhandedly turned me into an activist to challenge what is right with respect to freedom as a Canadian citizen. My suggestion to you is to take a step back and look at the bigger picture with what is going on here - our rights are being violated. 5 minutes of your time with a letter to your local MP could assist the cause in changing the anti-freedom precedent that is being set here. Strength in numbers...


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Over 10,000 signatures on this petition:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/the-rcmp-abuses-c-68/signatures.html

Please help support this motion. Only by engaging directly in politics will your interests be taken seriously.


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Over 10,000 signatures on this petition:

http://www.gopetition.com/petitions/the-rcmp-abuses-c-68/signatures.html

Please help support this motion. Only by engaging directly in politics will your interests be taken seriously.

Thanks for posting. I've signed that one as well.


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There are lots of ideas for letter templates on various forums such as GOC and CGN. Please do your part to get the Firearms Act fixed.

First they came for the automatics but I said nothing as I had no interest in one
Next they came for the handguns, but I said nothing as they did not appeal to me
Then they came for the restricted rifles but I was satisfied with the compensation they gave me
When they came for my hunting rifles, there were no other owners left to stand by my side



   
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It's important to spread the word far and wide about this issue. Even folks that don't own or even care about firearms should be concerned. What we have here is our federal police are making laws and enforcing them. Today it's firearms. Tomorrow it could be home gardens, raising children, or just about anything else. The government of Canada is making a big mistake setting an amnesty and moratorium. It needs to stand up and in clear terms remind the RCMP of their role in the system and that their recent actions are not binding on anyone.



   
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There are lots of ideas for letter templates on various forums such as GOC and CGN. Please do your part to get the Firearms Act fixed...

It's important to spread the word far and wide about this issue...

Thanks for your support guys! I almost feel a duty at this point to keep this specific thread active as this is such an important issue. It feels like there's only a few preppers on here within Ontario that own firearms and wish to keep our rights.

...Even folks that don't own or even care about firearms should be concerned. What we have here is our federal police are making laws and enforcing them. Today it's firearms. Tomorrow it could be home gardens, raising children, or just about anything else. The government of Canada is making a big mistake setting an amnesty and moratorium. It needs to stand up and in clear terms remind the RCMP of their role in the system and that their recent actions are not binding on anyone.

Couldn't have said it any better. We can prevent the "Tomorrow it could be home gardens" scenario if people here take action now. I know a lot of homesteaders on here and I'm confident they would be doing the same as me if it affected their life. It's quite possible the government could impose a law(s) preventing people from self-sustainability or self-reliance in the future. Don't take my word for it: http://guardianlv.com/2014/02/florida-woman-ordered-to-live-on-the-grid/ .

A letter to your MP about the ignorance of the RCMP's actions and signing the petitions in this thread would do wonders for the cause.

There's only so many ways that I can communicate to the people here (reading this) to take action...


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Read and signed the petitions, and forwarded the links to my local range. This 'scary gun' thing has gotten really stupid in the last 30 years.


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Looks like there are some decent politicians out there that understand and respect our cause:

My name’s Cheryl and I am the Member of Parliament for Renfrew-Nipissing-Pembroke.

With the RCMP’s recent attempt at another confiscation by re-classification, Steven, a concerned Canadian from the Quebec riding of Pontiac launched a petition which you signed.

Steven called his NDP Member of Parliament in Pontiac, but his MP didn’t want to hear from him.

So, he had to drive to Ontario to find a Member of Parliament who would accept his petition.

That’s why I am writing to you.

You need to know your voice is being heard in Ottawa.

Since I was first elected in 2000, I have been fighting for the rights of responsible firearms owners.

While we scrapped the wasteful long-gun registry, there is still more work that needs to be done.

Job #1 is educating Canadians who don’t own firearms that we still need to make reforms to protect the property rights of all Canadians.

That is why I started the website http://www.responsiblefirearmsreform.ca last year.

I need to hear from Canadians like you who want to see greater protections for the rights of responsible firearms owners.

Together, we need to reach out to your friends and neighbours who may not know the RCMP has used every opportunity and excuse it can to seize lawfully purchased firearms.

I encourage you to visit the site and help spread the word at http://www.responsiblefirearmsreform.ca/spread_the_word

Sincerely,
Cheryl Gallant
http://www.cherylgallant.ca/

I've signed up: http://www.responsiblefirearmsreform.ca/spread_the_word


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It seems the feds are introducing a new Common Sense Firearms Licensing Act this fall which is a step in the right direction for law abiding firearms owners. Two out of three of the following sources state that the Swiss Arms and CZ 858 bans are going to be reversed although never be allowed to be sold in Canada again. The NFA has yet to update their website on the mater, however, here's the first 3 news articles on the topic:

http://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/gun-owners-may-face-less-red-tape-new-responsibilities-under-proposed-law-1.2715612
http://cnews.canoe.ca/CNEWS/Canada/2014/07/23/21827251.html
http://www.marketwired.com/press-release/harper-government-brings-common-sense-to-firearms-licensing-1932228.htm

In addition to the reversed ban on the CZ and Swiss Arms rifles the highlights of the new act include the following:

-> Merge the Possession Only License (POL) and the Possession and Acquisition License (PAL);
-> Restrict the ability of Chief Firearms Officers to make arbitrary decisions;
-> Create a grace period at the end of the five-year licence to stop people from immediately becoming criminalized for paperwork errors;
-> End needless paperwork around Authorizations to Transport by making them a condition of a license;
-> Require mandatory firearms safety courses for first-time gun owners; and
-> Strengthen firearms prohibitions for those who are convicted of domestic violence offences.

Steven Blanley, Minister of Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness (you guys and gals should know this guy), announced these changes in North Bay yesterday. I should also mention that the Conservatives did very poorly during the last election with respect to votes in North Bay. With that said many people are suggesting that this is a political, propaganda stunt to regain or ensure more votes for next years election. It would be sad to think that our rights and freedoms as firearms owners are entwined within political drama to secure more votes and the immature, child-like, sandbox conflicts between bureaucrats (specifically the RCMP) and politicians.

Nevertheless, I'm quite happy with Steven Blanley after hearing this news. Here's a video of the statement:

http://bcove.me/pqs3tdka


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