I tried to answer but I started ranting and thinking bad words. Sorry. Couldn’t do it.

I tried to answer but I started ranting and thinking bad words. Sorry. Couldn’t do it.

Thanks for my morning chuckle Entropy.. I hear ya..

Hi Guys,

Lets try this again.. please keeping it linked to your own personal life, on how it would effect your life, job or community or anything you are working on now or in the future preps how you think the current talk of Tariff's could or will effect you. Please do not allow this to fall into a direct political fight.. Thanks.

At this point most folks are locked onto the issues happening or coming July 1st in regards to the states but there are other things going on in regard to Tariffs (interprovincal as a example). Yes, I know that brings in the "gas" issue and I don't want it to explode but I promised I will link it up if you keep reading.

Anyone else noticed the "facebook" trend that is calling for buy canadian? I saw a story on the local news about a place on the quebec side that has removed usa items off the menu and she made a point of removing all USA wines, just as there was stories in the news about removing B.C wines from the alberta stores.

Do you think that it helps or hurts or has any effect at all when we see this type of pull back?

Yes, we need to keep politicians and politics out of this.
1. The economic ramifications to Canada’s economy would or could be severe to catastrophic. Snowball or panic effect kicks in and it will engulf other ares. Results to lifestyle become serious and mortgages fail.... now, besides a prepper losing job, what’s the other impact on preppers? Their remote buyout location and supplies could easily be raided for goods while they are still working. People would likely face increased robberies at home, car, cottage etc. Batteries, tires... will be stolen from car or farm equipment. Preppers will pay more ( if they can find them) for items they are, as part of ongoing build up of supplies trying to buy. Cheap food like rice, flour, less expensive cuts of meet( or per another post, farmgal potatoes! ) beans will increase in cost as people are forced to eat more of them then over more expensive items. So a prepper starting out or building up will be in line like the rest of the schleps. All the things we are talking about buying on this site will cost more ( when even available) so in addition to food, we have a harder time to prep solar, batteries, spare vehicle parts etc

Lots of angles etc but when an economy is hit hard, things become scarce and expensive. This leads to significant increase in theft, disregard for law and order and a great many people looking out for themselves. Organized crime will also increase as they will fill the void of goverment or commerce to satisfy needs. Remember, if people with addictions or need for psychotic drugs can’t obtain or afford the regular stuff, they will go with cheaper and harsher effect drugs. Not a good situation when bumping into someone stealing fuel from your vehicle or tractor drugs. Besides the idiot pulling a knife on you, they are liable to blow up a barn or damage goods while they pull things apart.

Cash withdrawals from banks will likely be curtailed. Taxes on so called rich may increase, pensions reduced.

I know, we are all nice polite canucks, but we are human canucks and human element is weakest link. Ww2 did see people coming together, but it also brought out the bad and I Don’t have a good feel for how today’s city dweller or even country person will take being dirt poor and hungry

Time to ramp up our efforts over next few months? Hmmmm

Hi Guys,

Lets try this again.. please keeping it linked to your own personal life, on how it would effect your life, job or community or anything you are working on now or in the future preps how you think the current talk of Tariff's could or will effect you. Please do not allow this to fall into a direct political fight.. Thanks.

At this point most folks are locked onto the issues happening or coming July 1st in regards to the states but there are other things going on in regard to Tariffs (interprovincal as a example). Yes, I know that brings in the "gas" issue and I don't want it to explode but I promised I will link it up if you keep reading.

Anyone else noticed the "facebook" trend that is calling for buy canadian? I saw a story on the local news about a place on the quebec side that has removed usa items off the menu and she made a point of removing all USA wines, just as there was stories in the news about removing B.C wines from the alberta stores.

Do you think that it helps or hurts or has any effect at all when we see this type of pull back?

Yes, we need to keep politicians and politics out of this.
1. The economic ramifications to Canada’s economy would or could be severe to catastrophic. Snowball or panic effect kicks in and it will engulf other ares. Results to lifestyle become serious and mortgages fail.... now, besides a prepper losing job, what’s the other impact on preppers? Their remote buyout location and supplies could easily be raided for goods while they are still working. People would likely face increased robberies at home, car, cottage etc. Batteries, tires... will be stolen from car or farm equipment. Preppers will pay more ( if they can find them) for items they are, as part of ongoing build up of supplies trying to buy. Cheap food like rice, flour, less expensive cuts of meet( or per another post, farmgal potatoes! ) beans will increase in cost as people are forced to eat more of them then over more expensive items. So a prepper starting out or building up will be in line like the rest of the schleps. All the things we are talking about buying on this site will cost more ( when even available) so in addition to food, we have a harder time to prep solar, batteries, spare vehicle parts etc

Lots of angles etc but when an economy is hit hard, things become scarce and expensive. This leads to significant increase in theft, disregard for law and order and a great many people looking out for themselves. Organized crime will also increase as they will fill the void of goverment or commerce to satisfy needs. Remember, if people with addictions or need for psychotic drugs can’t obtain or afford the regular stuff, they will go with cheaper and harsher effect drugs. Not a good situation when bumping into someone stealing fuel from your vehicle or tractor drugs. Besides the idiot pulling a knife on you, they are liable to blow up a barn or damage goods while they pull things apart.

Cash withdrawals from banks will likely be curtailed. Taxes on so called rich may increase, pensions reduced.

I know, we are all nice polite canucks, but we are human canucks and human element is weakest link. Ww2 did see people coming together, but it also brought out the bad and I Don’t have a good feel for how today’s city dweller or even country person will take being dirt poor and hungry

Time to ramp up our efforts over next few months? Hmmmm

Clarence I beg to differ.I am thinking that I must be a good bit older than you. I can tell you all about, our time with Tariffs and before free trade. Frankly it wasnt that long ago and we were not going crazy, stealing fuel, disregarding law and order, and frankly it was easier to make cash withdrawls from banks then.

The first comprehensive free trade deals with the USA were being negotiated in the late 1980s, nafta, with implimentation going on into the 1990s. So using 1990s as the rough starting point, I have to ask you, if the things you are predicting were not going on then, why are you saying they will start now? our banking system is different than the yanks, people owe there mortgages in canadian dollars to canadian banks...this wont change.

Adjustment will be made, and made in both countries. This is not the 1980s when we were significantly weaker in the negotiations, dealing with a vastly more industrialised USA that we wanted access to and they wanted our resources. The USA is in a vastly weaker economic situation realitively speaking to where they where before, and industrially speaking we can develop our own resources just fine, and dont even get me started on their utter and complete moral collaps. No WE are the stronger party, kick them to the curb and develope our markets elsewhere. Welcome this as a chance for greater internal industrial growth.

I really ownly see one area that in the short term will be painfull, and I expect that to be food prices (fruits and veg), we get a lot of food from California, and Flordia. It is going to take time to build up greater domestic production, with BC likely the province to do the heavy lifting, but again look at that as opertunity, and building greater domestic food production is a good thing in the long run , even if the cost may be a little higher. Though costs in food production are going to be rising from the usa anyway(already are)....Mericans will soon discover the jobs he is bringing back will be in picking their own vegtables.
Again I say we start with immediately enforcing visa requirments for Americans, with required in person consulate interviews. During the interview any American service member must give a full accounting of their deployments and actions. Those having served in in any nation where there has been a refuge exodus must be considered possible war criminals and denied entry. We should work with other nations to implement the same policy. Again I see nothing but opportunity for my country. Clarence the threat I see to my country isn't tariffs...its the segment of the Canadian population that's grown docile, stupid and lethargic from watching American tv, those who have acquired the taste of American boot leather, and think other Canadians should lick it too.

Hi Guys,

Lets try this again.. please keeping it linked to your own personal life, on how it would effect your life, job or community or anything you are working on now or in the future preps how you think the current talk of Tariff's could or will effect you. Please do not allow this to fall into a direct political fight.. Thanks.

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Do you think that it helps or hurts or has any effect at all when we see this type of pull back?

Yes, we need to keep politicians and politics out of this.
1. The economic ramifications to Canada’s economy would or could be severe to catastrophic. Snowball or panic effect kicks in and it will engulf other ares. Results to lifestyle become serious and mortgages fail.... now, besides a prepper losing job, what’s the other impact on preppers? Their remote buyout location and supplies could easily be raided for goods while they are still working. People would likely face increased robberies at home, car, cottage etc. Batteries, tires... will be stolen from car or farm equipment. Preppers will pay more ( if they can find them) for items they are, as part of ongoing build up of supplies trying to buy. Cheap food like rice, flour, less expensive cuts of meet( or per another post, farmgal potatoes! ) beans will increase in cost as people are forced to eat more of them then over more expensive items. So a prepper starting out or building up will be in line like the rest of the schleps. All the things we are talking about buying on this site will cost more ( when even available) so in addition to food, we have a harder time to prep solar, batteries, spare vehicle parts etc
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Cash withdrawals from banks will likely be curtailed. Taxes on so called rich may increase, pensions reduced.

I know, we are all nice polite canucks, but we are human canucks and human element is weakest link. Ww2 did see people coming together, but it also brought out the bad and I Don’t have a good feel for how today’s city dweller or even country person will take being dirt poor and hungry

Time to ramp up our efforts over next few months? Hmmmm

Clarence I beg to differ.I am thinking that I must be a good bit older than you. I can tell you all about, our time with Tariffs and before free trade. Frankly it wasnt that long ago and we were not going crazy, stealing fuel, disregarding law and order, and frankly it was easier to make cash withdrawls from banks then.….Clarence the threat I see to my country isn't tariffs...its the segment of the Canadian population that's grown docile, stupid and lethargic from watching American tv, those who have acquired the taste of American boot leather, and think other Canadians should lick it too.

Peppercorn, towards the end you dipped into politics and servicemen, but am not biting.

I am now over sixty and remember all the nafta and tariff days, oil embargoes, recessions industrial might....

IF, there was a true tariff war and let’s say the auto industry took a dive, you could see 1.5 Million unemployed just from that (that’s actual jobs and of course the nine ancillary spin off jobs lost! Canada NEVER, ever experienced that. That is a ton of hurt, add the increased costs for all the medicines, foreign parts, medical supplies, batteries, gas, oil, and ammo, everything needing to be paid for with maybe a 45 cent Canuck peso!

I certainly agree with you on the desire and strategic need and long term benefits of growing our own food and maybe giving up on oranges etc. So, I will drop the economic options and refocus on immediate impact on social behavior with maybe and at a generous minimum of two million additional folks suddenly unemployed. Please note that “real unemployment is apparently already around the 25% range, also all the new students graduating each year and looking for a job.

There is no way Canada could absorb that level of unemployment, Canada could not even pay for three months of benefits without severely cutting back in other areas. The level of cutbacks to even try and sprinkle around a few highly devalued dollars here and there for social assistance would be dramatic. People would lose their homes, cars and due to canceled credit cards from nonpayment, not even be able to buy food or medicines on credit.

If and again this is all hypothetical and with auto industry effectively dead in the water, Canada would likely resemble Venezuela. Alberta would either close oil fields or be pumping for pennies in profit on the barrel. Again, let’s leave politics and national dreams of a brave new world and all the fresh fruit grown in BC out of this and focus on the impact of an economic war, a war that we would start to feel the effects of within days to max two months. Once mortgage payments, rent, car payments go unpaid and credit card is cut, people are fubared! hydro, gas or oil for heating is cut or severely rationed, long lines to hospitals and food banks, universities likely shut down ( now there’s a historically calm group of folks well known for polite understated reactions!!!!!), schools running on reduced work week...

Well we will borrow the money and run increased debt load some will say. Well yes, that is an option but what will that do to the dollar? Remember folks in Europe during depression and during the war whipping derrière with currency or burning it in little stoves to heat their home (People no longer even have stoves to burn devalued money in anymore)!

A few eggs if you had them could pay off a mortgage because money was worth nothing! Also to be remembered, if China suffers tariffs, (trump just threatened 400 Billion in tariffs if china doesn’t back off) they will not be loaning any money to Canada to help them out. the EU is living on borrowed money as well. So forget a helping hand being extended to poor old Canada.

Nope, based on this sixty year olds experience and knowledge of government preparedness, national security, how people react, crime and fairly decent understanding of how folks are in debt, i do not see a rosy picture at all of a Canada with minimum 1.5 million people suddenly thrown out of work in Ontario ALONE! Wonder what all the other provinces would look like? Trump cuts back on Canadian patates and fish and there goes east coast. Who the hell needs western lumber when there is plenty in the US, don’t need our wheat, corn or soybeans either.

I have kept politics out of this and have tried to be very measured in realistic outcomes. If anyone else thinks that we can find new sources of employment within days to weeks or even months for millions of unemployed, please tell me. Oh and BTW, if you do have a suggestion to create this new brave new world revenue stream in weeks to a few months, please also inform us why we are not already doing it. I mean, if we could, a logical person could wonder why we aren’t already doing so. Just what exactly will all those auto workers do? Build fridges in non existent plants? Make shoes, pots, farm implements? If we have some axe or buck saw plants ( for folks wishing the try and heat their homes), a few could find jobs there but that’s it baby.

I have and continue to work in an extremely real world environment and have been privy to much info. On a personal side, I try and live in the real world but slip off like most of us do in hypothesis or personal failures, but grasping real worl situations, I usually am pretty accurate.. A serious trade war will look like the depression days. I dare say it would be even worse because in those days, the majority of people lived on farms and not in the burbs or twentieth floor in congested cities. People may have been barefoot and thin on the farms but they had some food they could grow or shoot, had wood for stoves. A horse with no saddle to get them into town. We were an agricultural society and grew most of what we ate. Not so today. Cattle corn, soy beans, tobacco is a bit difficult to eat. Huge difference today in lifestyles and in public attitudes to authority and respect or tolerance for government and their leaders. The, I want it all now and easy attitude won’t work out to well and those preppers who are trying hard to be prepared will still feel the pain (me included)

Think 99%, G8, hockey, labour union riots and even good old separatists in Quebec. All these groups and average Joe without a job in their entire family and in debt to their eyeballs. You think they will just sit at home in a dark, cold apartment or attached row home and not think of pinching your stuff. Police won’t have a snowballs chance in hell of stopping mass riots, like we have seen time and time again, they let the riots go and deal with aftermath later on. Difference being, there will not be sunny days the following morning or the week after that.

Someone siphoned the diesel from a neighbour’s tractor the other week because fuel costs are going up and they figured they could get away with it and no one is anywhere near being on a breadline. That farmer or dude with diesel pickup wakes up one day and finds they have no money at all, will be a risk to me and mine. Hate to see city folks out looking to liberate something of mine. They will have to steal gas to get out here, but out they will most assuredly come.

The world is long overdue for a serious economic collapse and this may just be the precursor to it. Here’s hoping I am very, very wrong

To add to farmgals question.
Preppers will fare better then average John and Mary doe.

1, we will have a supply of food and other essentials that could be utilized if one finds themselves out of a job and short on funds from a paycheque

2 mentally prepared for emergencies and that is extremely important"

3. I believe many of us try and stay in decent shape and like being mentally prepared, that will help.

4 due to networks we have developed, we may have more contacts to find work

5 due to some of us being more self sufficient, we may have developed marketable skills outside our normal job description and seeing as many of them involve fixing things, the handyman aspect may help us barter for supplies or be paid in the coin of the realm.

6 we may be less likely to suffer theft due to perimeter counter measures. Now, we could also be a target for those who know we have a garden, food, firewood, chainsaw’s, fuel...

7. Hunting, trapping and fishing skills would help with food larder.

Prepping is all about being more self reliant and those skillsets, attitude or resources will be helpful to us or our friends.

Great posts clarence! Not only the problems but your proactive solutions to them. Thanks

Clarence I beg to differ....Opportunity is found amongst change. The sky is only falling if that's how you are conditioned to see it. I do hope those plotting a course forward don't have your fatalistic/blinkered view. A challenge is meant to be risen too.

Great posts clarence! Not only the problems but your proactive solutions to them. Thanks

Thank you Protector. Here’s another advantage we have. In the event of a trade war and someone losing their job, we can and should, immediately reach out to the prepper network and use it to find new employment before others clue in. Time is always limited and like a grab and go bag, we may need to source other employment just as fast.

Spending money is always something to be cautious about and some may understandably be sitting on some and not buying that extra solar panel, 50 Lbs of beans etc.

I clearly remember the morning of 911. I received and placed calls, watched a bit to try and further grasp what was happening and went into response mode. I was in somewhat decent shape with preps and freezers were pretty full, but after I pulled kids from class, I went over and took every last chicken and turkey in a store and crammed them into the freezers. Did another quick mental review of situation and then continued to watch things unfold. I am and will continue to monitor as many events occurring so I can with luck, try and tweak plans accordingly. Tariff war will be no different.

Wise use of funds should always be the means to an end, so can or should you buy extra food today or hold off until something does look like it will occur. Tariff war won’t see beans etc jump in price on the shelf right away. People will be saying, oh but it will be worked out... but it would likely be a prudent move to jump on any purchases you can afford because within a few days or weeks, things can become scarcer or more expensive. Gas will almost assuredly jump as Canuck dollar goes down in value.

There’s a difference in an immediate disaster and something that doesn't bode well. On the morning of 911, I wasn't sure if Canada would be hit and any run on food, so I topped things up. But I didn’t get out camo, grab pea shooter and go sit in a blind waiting for bad guys. Like many, I watched the TV, took calls from clients and worked hard on trying to explain and shelter my children from a really bad day.
It’s all planning, guesswork and personal calls.

Clarence I beg to differ....Opportunity is found amongst change. The sky is only falling if that's how you are conditioned to see it. I do hope those plotting a course forward don't have your fatalistic/blinkered view. A challenge is meant to be risen too.

Peppercorn, you have no idea how I am not fatalistic or blinkerd. That may be your opinion of how little you know or think you know of me but your way off base. I look at situations and analyze them, its what i do professionally and and am pretty successful at.

How will this impact me and my clients, what can I do right now and moving forward to avoid this or that. How can I make the world a better place etc. The sort of things logically thinking people and preppers should be doing. Think of yourself on titanic and being one of the fortunate to be up top. You can listen to the band and believe that those in charge will save your derrière or start looking around for anything that floats and start tying it together as a makeshift raft and tossing overboard so you may survive. Personally, I would have been strapping together as many deck chairs and life jackets as possible and to hell with worrying about damaging private property, maintain prim and proper decorum, the greatness of the empire or listening to some boat employee or even the captain if he walked by. Boats sink captain and yours is tipping bow first into the water and you can go down with it but I plan on trying real hard to save my bacon so get out of the way before I knock you out with this nice deck chair.

As preppers, we within time or financial constraints and understanding of events, try and prepare so we are as self-sufficient and be as ready as we can be if and when something bad or inconvenient occurs. It’s a crap shoot because the event or disaster can vary from a little two week power outage, financial stress, EMP event or heaven forbid, a biological or nuclear type disaster...

So I certainly hope and pray our leaders do their job and make our nations stable, good, safe, healthy and productive places to live and grow and that includes as you mentioned, growing fruits etc in BC and not be beholding to others. Fantastic idea. LOVE IT.

If, heaven forbid our leaders muck things up, then yes, we will need to get our stuff together as a nation and do what you and I appear to favour and that is develop a stronger Canada. What I was saying and have zero doubt about is, it will take many years to do so and until we do, the level of financial and subsequently human deprivation will be significant. Not sure how much you are aware of history and how events happen fast, yet have long lasting impacts but nations and individuals can and do go from prosperity to poverty within days (start), weeks to months.

My statements may appear political or personal to some but they reflect what I see occurring and I try hard to use my gifts and experience to interpret them in the context of how they may impact me and my ability to survive, live and move forward. I asked you to provide an explanation why we are not already doing the things with industry or agriculture that you and I both agree are needed. I said, what would hundreds of thousands of auto workers do within weeks of losing their jobs and did not get a response from you.

If I am wrong in saying there are no immediate jobs that will pay their mortgages etc, then please enlighten me. I was working with farmgals extremely logical and the question on impact of large tariffs on us preppers. Simple as that. IF President Trump for whatever reason, did place a heavy import tax on the auto industry, it WOULD be a financial disaster. That of course is just my opinion and thus my question to you that if not an issue, what would these unemployed folks do? I gave a light hearted, but perhaps viewed as sarcastic response of an axe or hand saw manufacturing plant but the reason behind my response was to raise the point, that we have no real ready to roll manufacturing plants for product we could “maybe” sell to China (LOL) or Europe (again LOL) If an international trade war does break out, it will be just that, international. Europe, china, Africa etc will all have their work cut out for them and I think it would be very “un prepper” of us, to believe Germany will buy our big cars at expense of theirs. Africa can’t afford them now, so that’s out and China and India are building their own automotive plants and won’t be buying ours either. “Ours” is a loose term. We don’t own the plants, private companies do and they will go where car sales are. So I can handle a logical criticism and welcome them because it helps keep me on my toes. So let I and others know exactly how you believe these jobs will all be replaced with same incomes and how fast you know this will occur.

Again. I agree it would be nice to see occur, but if it hasn’t happened in past fifty plus years then I am somewhat skeptical about any of our current leaders being able to flip things around in a few months to even a full year. Stop and think of 1.5 million people being out of a job in maybe a few weeks to months. As soon as a large tariff like these get announced, small, medium and large companies immediately start looking at inventories, new purchases or hires being considered etc and start freezing things. I am not going to go buy new equipment, put a new roof on a garage because shingles aren’t as good looking as I would like. If I don’t think I need it and that company doesn’t get the sale; they lay folks off. You’re a smart person and know this.

No, I envision a far worse situation then even the depression and I gave the reasons why in original post. As preppers we have advantages, but will also in one way or another be swept up to varying degrees in a large tariff war. Reality sucks, but its there.

Just a quick note as I have a few minutes between just having the horse's feet done by the farrier and the next project so this is going to be shorter then I Would like.

I have been reading the talk between Peppercorn and Clarence and I believe that you are both closer in some ways of thinking then you might agree with but I also see something that I hope is worth noting..

Peppercorn is in Alberta (my born and raised province) and he has lived though some big boom and busts being in that province, you know what I am talking about.. money, money.. so many jobs and high wages.. and good land to buy and lets be honest if you are the least bit of a prepper, you can pick up tool, gear and toys for pennies on the dollar as they go for the next biggest and best. When there is a large section that is booming, and the money flowing, then the ability for those to pick up high top end gear as its flipped is really there!

I have lived a number of boom and busts, I remember what the 80's did to my own family and I have just been watching what the latest has done as well, my father at the age of 70 just had to sell his farm and downsize.. now its fine overall, he will take the paid for truck 5th wheel and move them to my big brother ranch up by high river.. However I do think that never give up feel, that we will work together and get though this comes from that up and down, up and down that you get in Alberta.

Having said that.. I have found that in Ontario to a point, while there are lay off, its not seasonal in the same way that you can see on the east coast or in the oil-gas can be.. or in the pipeline spring breakup. I think that many of the folks in Ontario would pass the test but they have not had the same cycle (or that I can see in terms of the past 14 years I have been here) but having said that.. in Ottawa we see it in the high tec lay off area, that I can see where Clarence comes from and look at the phoenix pay issues.. Homes lost, marriages lost and summer students not paid, folks afraid to retire or move to a new job within the system.

We are already seeing thief's in my own local area, if its got value.. lock it up or chain it ups.. shoot.. got to go.. I will come to back to this..

I think both view points are really quite valid.. there will be folks that are set up to live with the new normal and will pull together, but if there is recession.. its going to hurt.. only time will give the true answers.

Just a quick note as I have a few minutes between just having the horse's feet done by the farrier and the next project so this is going to be shorter then I Would like.

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Having said that.. I have found that in Ontario to a point, while there are lay off, its not seasonal in the same way that you can see on the east coast or in the oil-gas can be.. or in the pipeline spring breakup. I think that many of the folks in Ontario would pass the test but they have not had the same cycle (or that I can see in terms of the past 14 years I have been here) but having said that.. in Ottawa we see it in the high tec lay off area, that I can see where Clarence comes from and look at the phoenix pay issues.. Homes lost, marriages lost and summer students not paid, folks afraid to retire or move to a new job within the system.

We are already seeing thief's in my own local area, if its got value.. lock it up or chain it ups.. shoot.. got to go.. I will come to back to this..

I think both view points are really quite valid.. there will be folks that are set up to live with the new normal and will pull together, but if there is recession.. its going to hurt.. only time will give the true answers.

Farmgal. i am confident we are close on many points. In the end, its all unknowns and pure speculation.

One thing, I am certain of is, Governments tend to move slow, then fast. In the event of a depression, "fast" will mean police securing of wealthy and key infrastructure with little to no help for average citizen. All western nations are in serious debt and only live on borrowed money. Corporations move where they make money, Citizens are also in significant debt, with vast, vast majority having either zero savings or maybe enough to last two weeks after the last pay check. Manufacturing of most consumer goods and ever important replacement parts is done offshore, little inventory in any part of the supply chain and a more fractured population ideologically then we have seen since maybe the sixties. We also have higher concentration of population in city cores and large amounts of people already on various levels of social assistance. We have serious drug issues and that can be a significant factor in how people react to difficult times.

A serious trade war will effect employment. How bad will determine trickle down effect on personal behaviors. I believe that if we suffered a quarter job loss in auto industry it would mean immediate to a few months at most for near if not full out depression level effects. If its limited to dairy marketing quota system,it will hurt those in the industry and a few others. Similar trickle down effects but due to reduced numbers of those effected and lower dollar value/salaries, it will not be anywhere near as bad. Plus farmers are rural and they will never ever get the media attention that urban areas and all the political seats, university students, labour unions, social justice warriors, G8 protestor types and media outlets associated with them will.

So, here's hoping saner minds prevail on all sides and if there is a lowering of tariffs, its done slowly so everyone or as many as possible come out ahead.

everyone have a great weekend and for those in Quebec, enjoy your long weeknd.

Thanks but health jobs don't get long wnds. One thing to consider is governments can simply create more money and keep the ball rolling for a very long time. Especially countries like the states that if they close their borders still have 600 million Ppl to buy their goods. We have much less debt so we'd be ok too. The scary point to me is if the world currency changes most likely to Chinese currency. Interesting times ahead

Clarence I beg to differ....Opportunity is found amongst change. The sky is only falling if that's how you are conditioned to see it. I do hope those plotting a course forward don't have your fatalistic/blinkered view. A challenge is meant to be risen too.

Peppercorn, you have no idea how I am not fatalistic or blinkerd. That may be your opinion of how little you know or think you know of me but your way off base. I look at situations and analyze them, its what i do professionally and and am pretty successful at.

What I was saying and have zero doubt about is, it will take many years to do so and until we do, the level of financial and subsequently human deprivation will be significant.

I said, what would hundreds of thousands of auto workers do within weeks of losing their jobs and did not get a response from you.

If I am wrong in saying there are no immediate jobs that will pay their mortgages etc, then please enlighten me. So let I and others know exactly how you believe these jobs will all be replaced with same incomes and how fast you know this will occur.

No, I envision a far worse situation then even the depression and I gave the reasons why in original post.

Clarence, breviety has value...I am not going to go back and forth with you, your arguements on this are not credible with me. I havent the time or inclination. Regarding what your succesful at has little bearing on being right...here is a example of someone succesful, How credible would you say he is? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=al4Qr9MlDWo

Clarence, always have doubt, nothing is 100%. except death.

Yes you did not get a responce from me because your question is not credible, your thinking is one dimensional, You should be able to ansewer your own Question Clarence? Ask anyone from Alberta what they did within weeks when thousands were laid off through 2015,...Applied for UI Clarence. Do you really think Auto workers wont do the same? Where are you getting the idea of hundreds and hundreds of thousands of auto workers out of work. Something like 190 000 total (reasonable number), Because of our demographics I would ball park 20% as within retirement or 5 years of the time, So if laid off they can cash out and retire with private and Canada pension. They are not going to turn cannibal within weeks . Millions of vehicles were made in Canada, that will not come to a full stop, they will still be manufactured if just to satisfy domestic needs. My estimate would be 50 000 Max at risk in a worst case situation. You really think its going to be hundreds of thousands of auto workers out of work, and instantly? Cant you see why I don't think your questions and assessments are credible?

I will just briefly touch on history for you Clarence because it is you that appears not to understand it....and not understand what happens in a wide economic down turn. The very rationalization of costs that bussiness face in a down turn, are faced by those laid off. It comes as a shock hard and fast when the pink slips go out. People quickly understand that they have to act and just as our bodies automaticaly pump adrenalen, and keep our heart pumping, our breathing going in times of danger and great stress, so to do people put their core attention to what is important...such as paying the important bills (mortgage), and cutting out all none esential costs. They begin selling of all the silly toys they bought...the boat goes, the quads go, things like that. But the enviroment around them is not static..Actual costs fall in a down turn. Rents for example start falling as happened in Alberta, people with homes rent out a room to help with the morgauge, people join up to rent Apartments together to save money....the sky does not fall Clarence...adjustments are made..The third and fourth car is sold .its called living and people have been doing it for thousands of years. Most every trade in Alberta took a hair cut in labour rates, It became afordable to hire a tradesman to wire or frame your basement again. Kijiji was filled with tradesmen offering their services at good rates. I know some of them...they where not happy but it paid the bills. They did not turn canibal within weeks Clarence. It just did not happen .

Here is fact...Estimates are all over the place but I believe 100 000 is roughly the job loss, and very good paying jobs at that, that happened in Alberta over a 1-1.5 year period. Everyone I know laid off has found other employment, and some of that created employment would not have happened because businesses could not find affordable employies before.

I just wont comment further, I mean just the fact you completely ignored that laid off workers get UI shows me you really are not grasping the fine details, but I wish you luck in getting people to pay for you to analyze situations for them, like that you tube vid I linked to, you can get people to pay for anything now days, and I fully support free enterprise!