I know a few Ppl that are taking a break from IPN because of this bickering and my point of view is the supreme view because. It's all good but how about posting about accomplishments in prepping/ homesteading or whatever floats your boat. More fun! Less negative garbage none of us need. You both have points. Remember China owns a lot of US currency and debt. All they have to do is sell their reserves and call in the debts and the US and by proxy us are in a recession at least. Have a great day bb in a week to see if theirs anything productive!
Pardon me protector, I did not mean to cause a case of the vapours, May you recover from the condition. I assumed I was dealing with an adult (Clarence) that had shoulders wide enough to carry a rebuttal, when one was demanded, I did not think it would crush him, just as his comment did not crush me.
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.
Pardon me protector, I did not mean to cause a case of the vapours, May you recover from the condition. I assumed I was dealing with an adult (Clarence) that had shoulders wide enough to carry a rebuttal, when one was demanded, I did not think it would crush him, just as his comment did not crush me.
peppercorn. Rest assured you are correct about my shoulders being wide and sturdy enought
we obviously disagree on economic fallout from near or total collapse of auto industry. We can pontificate till the cows come home but this will be my last response on economic numbers. for every job directly lost, there can be 9 others. so 160K highly paid employees equals 1,440,000 souls.
cheers
I think I called this back when Trump was elected and its now showing up in the numbers
https://www.politico.com/story/2018/04/23/foreign-students-colleges-trump-544717
large drops in foreign students coming to America, this is long term bad news as the quality of American Education drops (in a country in serious need of education) due to the income generated by these students. This is to our benefit and the benefit of all other nation that take in these students and the money that comes with them...
As the U.S. tries to rule the world by decree, Nations are now starting to get a little bit of a spine and excluding the USA from their agreements, and outright going against American directives.
I called this as well.
This will continue in fits and starts as former allies get back their spines, some for the first time in decades.
Tariffs too will back fire on the U.S. The tariffs placed will now begin to ripple through the system in a inflationary manner for US consumers. I see nothing but opertunity for Canada. Short term, likely food cost increases but again that was coming anyway due to climate, transportation costs, fuel costs. we will just be in a better position by acting now.
The greater and faster we begin dissengagement with the U.S. the better, the world is full of more reliable, sainer and inteligent trading partners.
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.
Personally, I'm not too worked-up about it. Certainly a trade war will affect everyone. Not just in Canada and the U.S., but everywhere. It's hard not to in a Global economy...
My father lived through the great depression. Like now, there were the haves and have nots. Nothing seems to change other than some of the players may switch roles.
I think that some points that have been made are valid, while others are a bit off-the-wall. The sky is not going to fall because one or two politicians change the tariff rules. These will fluctuate, as they have done in the past. Supply and demand (and subsequent profit) will dictate the Buyer and the Seller on a global scale. It will all come-out in the wash.
In WW2, workers employed to make washing machines made bombers, or went off to war. After the war was over, they went back to making washing machines and other needed goods. What is needed will be produced. If there is a perceived financial advantage, it will be pursued.
I'm hardly worried about the auto workers, many of which make good money and have done so for some time. Perhaps some of them may have to downsize. Selling some toys can be a good thing for the soul...
As a matter of interest:
"During the Great Depression, levels of crime actually dropped. During the 1920s, when life was free and easy, so was crime. During the 1930s, when the entire American economy fell into a government-owned alligator moat, crime was nearly non-existent. During the 1950s and 1960s, when the economy was excellent, crime rose again." - Ben Shapiro
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
As a matter of interest:
"During the Great Depression, levels of crime actually dropped. During the 1920s, when life was free and easy, so was crime. During the 1930s, when the entire American economy fell into a government-owned alligator moat, crime was nearly non-existent. During the 1950s and 1960s, when the economy was excellent, crime rose again." - Ben Shapiro
Perhaps different times, different values... the recent oil downturn in the oil industry in Alberta brought in a marked increase in crimes, notably theft.
Perhaps different times, different values... the recent oil downturn in the oil industry in Alberta brought in a marked increase in crimes, notably theft.
It seems that any fundamental change in the status quo can affect the crime rate (especially property related crime/theft). Using Calgary as an example, the crime rate is higher now than it was when the economic down turn hit the Province. The crime rate is higher in 2018 and 2017 than it was in 2015 or 2016. I don't believe this can be attributed to a higher unemployment rate. What's your read on this?
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
As many have noted here. It’s seldom just one issue or cause. Very difficult and somewhat irrelevant is looking back in time to prove this or that. I do look back in time as well for clues but when the conditions from today, to 1930’ vary so much, it’s hard to always compare apples to apples.
Examples: morales of the time, enormous difference from today in rural versus urban / city. Respect and belief for political or police bodies was significantly different etc
High or consistent unemployment drags down an area.
People loose faith in gov, view police as force to keep them in check and not a friend
Social media can within an hour or so have a rally occur with tens or hundreds of thousands in attendance as where we had what during Winnipeg riots!
Enormous reliance of welfare for new and existing users. This puts further strain on gov budgets and taxes
Tariffs are but one aspect to potential financial disturbance. Whatever the trigger is, the fundamentals remain roughly the same. Higher borrowing by governments already way over their head in debt and the same for individuals. Both will quickly tap out any remaining room on their national or personal credit cards. Then what/ how do they pay mortgage, rent, food for themselves and children or sick parents............?
You will see rise in crime, and it will come from all sectors. It may be white colour crime, petty theft, increase in influence of organized crime, racial divides and all the known hot spots that already exist in major Canadian cities but are currently on a very low temp simmer. A worker bee sees thier boss skimming from a subcontractor and says, screw it, good enough for him, good enough for me. Now here’s a little something most folks won’t think of but it certainly is on the minds of some. Buddy working guard duty, a cleaner, maintenance guy etc, gets a little payoff from someone he meets in local restaurant to let him in and maybe take some supplies. What’s the harm he says, my partner was just laid off and we have a new child to feed. Screw management, they don’t pay me what I am worth. Problem is, the guy thinks the other person is just going to steal some tools or a computer, but in reality they are from some other “group or SJW thingy and they mean to cripple the water filtration, electrical, phone switching, satellite hub,financial institution, gov pay system, natural gas station, etc etc etc etc........
So yes, an underpaid or otherwise affected, low level employee that no one gives three seconds of thought of, can become the little person that really messes up a city or even a nations day. That is but one example of an easy to foresee event occuring due to even a small tariff war or any of a hundred other triggers.
We have social justice and nation actors that would jump at the opportunity to sow further stress into the mix.this would further decrease confidence in gov, which in turn increases the likelihood of individuals taking things into their own hands.
Point I am trying to make is. All of the above scenarios are well know concerns to those tasked with trying to keep Humpty Dumpty together. The ONLY real unknown is scope of event/s and when they will occur. The above and far more dramatic or draconian scenarios are all known by some folks, but are dependent on the even occuring and severity. PS. If stuff gets even moderately bad, the very hard truth well understood by informed people is and I quote “your on your own”. Now, the people or entities I refer too are not low level gov folks, not panicky types...and most assuredly not the average citizen processing files, sales reps etc. Not anything bad about all those folks, just saying when well informed folks tell you, your up a creek without a paddle, you are up a creek.. this isn’t speculation but pure fact.
We should prep for as many issues as possible. Nuclear war is beyond my reach so I focus on most things below that level. Remember, tariffs in of themselves are not necessarily as big an issue as some make them out to be. While I disagree with peppercorn on his political viewpoints, I do believe that Canada can learn some lessons about being more self reliant or diversified in the or trading partners. Are or will will do anything about it in the short time frames we have or are we screwed for now. As we all very well know from this board, there’s a ton of stuff we need to do so we are somewhat self reliant. Think of that for a minute or even an hour. Look at what we do or have done over the course of a year or even a decade. Farmgal, peppercorn... are all working daily on building up their means of survival. Anyone think a person who Would struggle getting a fire going with ten matches and dry newspaper is going to fare well in their city apartment or suburban home with sod over a gravel and sand base! No fireplace
This discussion on tariffs is good, not because it’s about tariffs and all the political baloney but rather, what
Large or even moderately high unemployment can mean to our prepping plans. Are we in a good or decent financial position, what can we do to improve, what can we expect from others ( good and bad). The triggers can vary, the net results all look pretty similar. Cheers
Clarence,
Perhaps it's me, but it sounded that you painted a rather doom and gloom picture that was directly attributable to the tariffs under discussion. My point is that the economy has and will fluctuate greatly as a matter of course. Governments come and go, but the world seems to go on just fine.
Personally, I'm hopeful, but believe that an once of prevention is worth a pound of cure. I don't see doomsday behind every fluctuation of the economy, especially when the results have yet to become apparent...
There are of course changes in the attitude of Society. It seems that these have mainly been focused on the rights of the individual. To my way of thinking, this will make it easier, rather than more difficult for the average person to survive a temporary crisis.
That said, Society has more wolves, more sheep and fewer sheep dogs that are willing to protect the welfare of others (when the rubber hits the road). Many will experience a big shock if a real crisis occurs. Reality will eventually sink in...
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
Well tariffs have been kicking in now, followed by counter tariffs. The shorts term position for the USA is good. low interest rates, reasonably low inflation and they have largely recovered from the job loss of 2009 with good momentum. That momentum has spared the USA from the internal wrecking ball of trump, but now the wrecking ball is trying to go international and its not going to go without consequences. I give it 6 to 12 months before the numbers start to turn, higher interest rates, inflation.
China may have tariffs placed on its goods going into the US but its developing other markets, and ties with Russia right into europe on one large land mass with a population and consumer demand that dwarfs the USA. A population (european countries) now placing tariffs on US goods! Unlike China, the US doesnt have and isnt developing (silk road) a alternet market to sell its goods into. This is the reason for the push on increased arms sales (to counter no enemy anywhere) as Trump is counting on the arms sales to cover the losses and damage from tariffs.Not going to happen. Looking back the entire characteristic of this period will be one of destuction, first internal to the US and now external. the US can only destroy things at this point. There is going to be no building of anything, not inside the USA or with other nations.
This is the take the money and run stage of empire. Enjoy the view.
Everyone in that picture cant believe their luck, they go home everyday with their pockets filled and know that know one will stop them. This to me just like watching The jim and tammy fay baker show! and all of America is in the audience.
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.
That's a good start scrounger. We can do much more though. Entire supply chains need to move back in country. We don't need to vacation down south, lots to see and do here, right in Canada. With a simple change in the tax code the Canadian retired snowbirds that support much of miami can be encouraged to spend less time down south, and I would love to see punitive, down right cripling tax's placed on american energy companies. I cant tell you the number of companies they have gobbled up, often shutting down the manufacturing production we had here, shipping the equipment out of country, then doing the same manufacturing, in Texas, and shipping north.
oh and American interest rates just moved a little north today! Not much but its going to become cumulative.
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.
...oh and American interest rates just moved a little north today! Not much but its going to become cumulative.
I'm sure that ours will rise as well.
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
As this board and topic are supposed to deal with preparedness and not whether one wishes to freeze up north versus enjoy the warmth and sun of the south. Has anyone made a change in their preps with recently imposed tariffs? No change on my side.
My first observed effect of tariffs, steel price increases. Had to order some steel to build a big driveway gate for a neighbour. What should have been about 175 dollars cost almost 300!
Everyone is putting up big gates. The demand is so high, I think I could go into business building them.
Postby Clarence » Mon Jul 23, 2018 1:29 am
As this board and topic are supposed to deal with preparedness and not whether one wishes to freeze up north versus enjoy the warmth and sun of the south.
Clarence, Clarence, Clarence.....Are we a little cranky? by we I mean you. Look up..way up, to your own post of July 7th. I will just hit the high notes for those in the cheap seats. You covered social media, Welfare, Morals, Credit cards, Organized crime, Racial division, SJW, and Terrorism in a tariff thread. Im not complaining about what you covered just asking for the same liberties, you use.Is there maybe something you would like to confess to that may better explain your frustration? Confession is good for the soul
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.