Hi everyone i just had and interesting conversation with a large local gun supply store manager.
When i asked about bringing in gun supplys from the US he told me that many items were being confiscated before the products ever made it to customs.
He also told me that dhs would watch licence plates of canadians in sporting goods stores and would have someone 100 yards from the border and pull over vehicles that matched the plate numbers found in the stores parking lots.
They would then confiscate any gun related equipment,holsters,straps,scopes anything to do with guns.
They would then tell people that they could arrest them for this,no compensation or anything.
He also told me of shortages of specific caliber rifles and ammunitions due to stock piling in the US.
Hand guns of various mfg were also in short supply and the Ruger company had a 2 year waiting list for new orders.
very scary my friends.
a buddy of mine's cousin just came back with 500 rds, we can legally bring back upto 500 rds of ammo according to him. i've bought some, had it delivered to a friends place, and i'll be doing this in a month. i'm going to be talking to the CFO before i try, but that's the word around the camp fire.
adsum. . . aut viam inveniam aut faciam
I can see DHS confiscating Guns and maybe even Amo, but accessories???
Sounds ilke a wives tale to me although I am NO Expert in this field what so ever!
Is it possible the dealer is trying to get you to buy local rather than the US?
This was taken from the pacific border crossing and the stores were required to note canadian customers for DHD
None of these products were illegal to bring into canada and if you made it to the border you were good.
As far as shopping local i was inquiring about them bringing thinks in for me.
Doesnt sound right to me.
You do need a liscence to import guns , not just your pal but an actual importation liscence ( you might be able to get ones to import individual guns dont quote me though)
You should be able to order ammo and accesories online , anything over 500rds and you will need to pay canadian duty and taxes on it. But the CBSA needs to be able to go on thier system and see that you are liscened for whatever your trying to import. So if you have a .50AE but no restricted PAL they will not allow your shipment through.
I would contact your local RCMP and Give the CBSA a call and see what they have to say. No point worrying over heresay though.
What they are referring to has nothing to do with RCMP or CBSA allowing the products into Canada, it is whether the USA allows those products out of their country. Lookup 'ITAR' for more info. They basically don't want to export anything with "military technology" from the USA without certain permits. This can be certain calibres of firearms, certain types of fancy optics, newer generations of night vision, etc... But most accessories a "normal" hunter would buy are ok, hunting optics, game calls, slings, binoculars, clothing, etc.
Gun stores love to exaggerate the scope of these limitations to scare you into buying everything here for 20-30% more. 🙄
Any US vendor with a website should list on their website if the product is ITAR controlled. So if you are planning for some cross border shopping, check out their website before you go. Some weird things are ITAR controlled like certain polymer firearm stocks. You wouldn't think those are very special but apparently they are.
As for importing into Canada that's a whole different thing, which the us guys couldn't do anything about 100m before the crossing. On the inbound crossing you must obviously care about our laws/restrictions. So firearms have a lot of paperwork (there's actually papers/permits on both sides of the borders to import a firearm - most people don't want to bother with this, it takes lots of planning and patience - like months). Magazine capacity limitations (again probably confiscated, but you can technically do it if the mags comply with Canadian law). Gun parts are also tricky and likely to be confiscated (ie: trigger parts, barrels, magazine pieces) because it's hard for a CBSA agent to determine if they are legal in Canada. So a lot of hassle here even though you could technically do it if they are Canadian legal. You might just have to have them confiscated and then come back later to demonstrate/prove they are legal. Again most people don't want the hassle.
As for ammo, I don't know. But I'd suspect that you can't officially do it as ammo is considered an "explosive" device which requires an import permit. But I don't know that one for sure, do some research. There may be some small quantity permitted for recreational use.
This is right off the Canada Boarder web site:
Quantities that may be imported for personal use and not for sale without requiring an Explosives Importation Permit from Natural Resources Canada (NRCan) include:
small-arms, sporting ammunition, up to a maximum of 5,000 rounds;
primers, up to a quantity of 5,000;
empty primed cartridge cases, up to a quantity of 5,000; and
propellants, smokeless powder in containers not exceeding 4 kilograms and black powder in containers not exceeding 500 grams, up to a maximum total combined quantity of 8 kilograms, (17.66 pounds).
one small problem it is illegal for a non US resident to transport amunition with out propper BATF paperwork. So you can buy and import it you just can't legally transport it to the border.
Good luck with that.
i've bought and brought back ammo from the US, primers, and other (non powder) reloading supplies.
i'm not sure how the BATF views buying ammo in the US for non residents, but i have my paper work to bring ammo into the US. (along with firearms) of course you need more then that, a reason to bring them in, a hunting trip or a shooting match (with paper work). this isn't hard to get, fill it out, mail it in and it comes back in good time. . .
adsum. . . aut viam inveniam aut faciam
I have had no problems in the past (this summer) .... just go into the US store ... buy the ammo and cross the border. The purchase was declared and part of my $ allotment. They searched me last spring but they were looking for undeclared smokes and booze. Just ignored the ammo.
I tried to buy some .270 ammo in Washington state just before Xmas and the store checked my ID and wouldn't sell it to me. Said they weren't allowed to. Sure was cheap compared to here
They are not allowed to sell to out of state?
The thing is, just because CBSA has no problem with you bringing it into the country due to import regulations does not mean that the US DOS is okay with you taking it out of the United States. When I have trained in the US I have had to provide documentation on official letterhead from the organizations I have worked for in order to handle and operate firearms while there. There are ways for Canadian citizens to lawfully handle firearms and ammunition, but you have to go through the BATFE and/or the DOS.
I have heard that the BATFE has been working under a directive issued by DHS to seriously curtail the flow of firearms and ammunition out of the country for fear of it finding its way back into the country illegally after any sort of legislation bans certain firearms and ammunition. They are trying to prevent another perceived "Gun Walker" incident as far as I can tell...
-S.
"It's not what you have, but what you have done".
-S.
Yeah "Gun Walker" there was a brilliantly conceived govt plan. What do they figure so far, at least hundred and fifty people shot by guns the ATF let out of the country.
Yeah "Gun Walker" there was a brilliantly conceived govt plan. What do they figure so far, at least hundred and fifty people shot by guns the ATF let out of the country.
Yeah, in my opinion it just might run right up to the POTUS. This could be a scandal of Watergate proportions!
So as mentioned prior, you want to be careful with your cross border shopping, not only do you have to consider what Canada's laws will allow in, but what the US laws will allow non US citizens to possess/buy/export without the paperwork...
"It's not what you have, but what you have done".
-S.
