Or you can just try shooting shells with 'target loads', with less powder than hunting loads. They are usually cheaper, too. You sound like you already know what you want, though, and so I tip my hat to you. (tip of hat).
Just a suggestion. Before you get the .410 have you tried reduced recoil 12 guage shells... or... a semi auto. The action on a semi absorbs a lot of the recoil as opposed to a pump. Semi's are basically one of 2 action types. Gas operated or recoil operated. Recoil or inertia types have very low failure rates. Be better ultimately to have one type of shotgun caliber as opposed to 2.
thanks for the information...we do have 2 shotguns already and my husband can shoot them well it is just that I don't like shooting them. I like our 22's and the ruger
Suggestion.... I strongly urge you to gain proficiency with a 12 guage shotgun. In the event you may NEED to use one regardless of preference. Just something to keep in mind. In the end it is up to you of course.
If the world comes to an end or there is a zombie attack I COULD shoot the shotgun...In all seriousness I doubt those things will occur to that level...I go out shooting every other week as much as I can ...I believe there will be an economic turn that could bring about hyper-inflation,I believe there could be a pandemic that quarantines us to the house, I believe there is a food shortage coming and I will need to prepare to feed us through growing, canning, preserving, dehydrating...I do not know what you believe is going to happen that will find me needing to be proficient at shooting a shotgun JustaBear...I am the only woman I know personally here in my city that even knows how to load and shoot a gun, any gun period though there may be some(I know there was a pistol range they closed down due to lack of members, there seems to be men only at the range out of town)...please help me out, you guys are always talking about the need for all these guns...please explain to me what it is you see coming ...besides the normal things, natural disasters, that I will not be ok with my bows/arrows, slingshots, 4-22's especially the with 2-25 mag, the 410, knives & swords and the 2 shotguns I would choose last unless a bear was coming at me....I don't at this point understand...If the city burned to the ground we would have to leave but other than that we are bugging in and as there is still law in the land I would not be shooting at anyone because I don't care to go to jail and there are no bears where I am ...please clarify what you see happening...what am I missing
One item I'm going to pick up is a SureFire flashlight.
Small portable easily concealed and 850 lumens. Waaaayyy more than enough to blind one or many attackers temporarley. A shotgun is great but the law tends to get involved when you shoot people. If you punch somebody while they are blinking away light spots the law tends to be far more lenient.
The use of blinding weapons is illegal in Canada but I think a crown attorney would have a tough time getting a successful conviction against you. - It's a flashlight. That's legal. Lot's of luck trying to prove you bought it and carried it specifically for use as a weapon. (especiially if it was a clear case of self defence.)
Note: Costco has a four pack of high intensity LED flashlights that come with batteries for $23.
The bonus are the modes: Low, High, Auto Strobe & Auto SOS flashing
I combined the two and put a Surefire fore-grip on my Mossberg 590/A1.
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An economic collapse would at the very least be nationwide. Now think back to a riot that happened when the favorite team lost a hockey game in Vancouver. How do you think people will react when suddenly they can't buy gas or groceries.
A food shortage would be nothing less than North America wide. In other words, continental in scope. Think back to a hurricane that caused a city to be flooded out. Remember the lawlessness there (in some cases it was cops). That was a regional disaster. A North America wide food shortage would be a continental disaster. I'm in no way saying that even the cops would start preying on others. But if I remember my college stats, there is an average of 1 cop for every 550 people. So when someone is kicking in your door, you're just one of 550 people that they probably won't get to in time.
For the most part though, when we discuss guns for protecting our families, we're talking about a WROL situation. There are any number of events which could put us in that scenario eg: economic collapse or nation wide food shortages.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
I agree, but when are enough weapons enough weapons...I am a 52 year old grandmother of 2 and I own 6 guns, I can only shoot one at a time, there is only my husband and myself here, I can only do what I can do...If it comes down to no law left, we have nowhere to go and will be defending our home as best as we can.. I just think my husband could shoot the shotgun and I could shoot 25 out of the Ruger. Truly I always pray it never comes to that!
I have to say that I don't see anything coming.... my mindset is that if you have tools it is best to have a working knowledge of them. Better to be prepared and not need the knowledge or skill... than to need it and not have it. Thats all.
I agree, but when are enough weapons enough weapons...I am a 52 year old grandmother of 2 and I own 6 guns, I can only shoot one at a time, there is only my husband and myself here, I can only do what I can do...If it comes down to no law left, we have nowhere to go and will be defending our home as best as we can.. I just think my husband could shoot the shotgun and I could shoot 25 out of the Ruger. Truly I always pray it never comes to that!
A .22 is good for small game, like rabbits and squirrels. .223 or 22-250 for larger, beaver, coyote etc. 12 gauge for game birds and such. A big bore rifle for big game. Any more long guns than that and it's either a hobby or a waste of money. You're right, there is a point at which you can have too many guns. Ammo, on the other hand, you can't have too much of.
Those who are unwilling to defend freedom, will become unfree.
Having extra guns is good if you are starting to rebuild a community and you need extra security.
For every extra gun you own, you make up for those whom have none.
Even if you have extra ammo, it makes great bartering items & could save your life by buying the local gang off and even have them protect your neighbourhood.
Way too many variables but it's better to have it and not need it than need it and not have it.
Also don't forget that you can carry more then one gun at a time. Once your clips are empty in one, it is much easier to reach for the side arm on your waist then to handload your clips again. Imagine if you've got 30 attackers with no other choice then to put them down... And you have a 20 round clip that just went "click". Now what.
See you all after.
You are preaching to the choir, Buggie.
I am a '3-gun', IDPA & IPSC competitive shooter.
I have more holsters, magazine holders & accessories than I can keep track of any more.
We typically carry a pistol 100% of the time and the stages will start with either shotgun or rifle.
Sometimes, we use all 3 platforms. Practice always.
I agree, but when are enough weapons enough weapons...I am a 52 year old grandmother of 2 and I own 6 guns, I can only shoot one at a time, there is only my husband and myself here, I can only do what I can do...If it comes down to no law left, we have nowhere to go and will be defending our home as best as we can.. I just think my husband could shoot the shotgun and I could shoot 25 out of the Ruger. Truly I always pray it never comes to that!
A .22 is good for small game, like rabbits and squirrels. .223 or 22-250 for larger, beaver, coyote etc. 12 gauge for game birds and such. A big bore rifle for big game. Any more long guns than that and it's either a hobby or a waste of money. You're right, there is a point at which you can have too many guns. Ammo, on the other hand, you can't have too much of.
I have to agree with Taz on this one. Maybe you would want 2 of each and some spare parts. That way if one rifle breaks, you have another working one while you get around to repairing the other. For this to work though, you would want 2 identical rifles of each model. As for me, I'm not sure I would get the.223. I would be happy with a .22, a 12g. and a larger game rifle in the 30cal. range.
Or should I say 2 each of the above
Having one gun or a hundred is all really just a mind set.Buy till you feel good. What really matters is the ability and willingness to use them. Shooting a rabbitt or shooting another person takes alot of strenght, even if that person is a threat.If you hesitate on a rabbitt you go hungry, hesitate on a person and your dead. Most people will be dead! It goes against what most believe in and the split second it takes you to make that choice,you could be eating lead. On A sunnny note check out the Rossi Ranch hand. They are easy to handle,carry and use. Very simple and reliable.Big enough to get supper and mean enough to scare away most people.