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(@oldmanprepper)
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when setting up a first aid kit,I understand you must keep it small,lite,and with only basics.I was a level 3 ofa for 14 years.I carry duct tape clean wipealls,plastic,and antibiotic crème when out sledding.What about antibiotics to deal with an infected cut or an infection of some type if you cant get to medical help(shtf).I have unused T3s,and some unused pennisilin,but is it possible to buy something like that online?I cant believe I'm the only one thinking about a situation like this.



   
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(@preppersaurus)
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Fish Supply places in the US sell the exact same antibiotics used by humans. Can be ordered on line. There are many and you had better know the proper use for them, because all antibiotics are not created equal.


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(@oldmanprepper)
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Thankyou



   
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(@helicopilot)
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Oldmanprepper, you're not the only one thinking about med kits. As reported here and by Denob in a different post, you can consider getting fish antibiotics online (they are the same as humans' meds). I would suggest you look around the medical section of this website. I've included a reference sheet to say which antibiotics works for what conditions, as well as the usual treatment plan (how many pills/day and duration). Also, I would like to suggest the following posts:

1) Sutures!
2) TGIF - How to build your own Med kit
3) antibiotics

The search engine included should bring hose topics up.

A sympathetic doctor may also help you get a basic set of antibiotics depending on how good a relationship you have with him/her.



   
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(@oldmanprepper)
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Thanks,thats gonna be next weekends job,getting a first aid kit put together.



   
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(@oldmanprepper)
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I also just ordered two hard copies of,"where there are no doctors"and"dentists".Was also researching dental kits but will wait to get the book and read it first.



   
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(@helicopilot)
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They're good books. I've only looked through the dentistry one, but if it's as good as the doctor one, they're good resources to have!



   
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(@oldmanprepper)
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Well.I have my first aid kit finished,(I cant believe how much it cost)lol.It weighs 60 pnds so I guess it is a retreat first aid kit.Just got some things in the mail today to finish it,dental filling material.Im gonna have to buy a separate bag for dental supplies as my Husky tool bag isn't going to be big enough.It was an informative couple weeks of research.I also bought a third book,"The Survival Medicine Handbook"which is really good.



   
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(@helicopilot)
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Well.I have my first aid kit finished,(I cant believe how much it cost)lol.It weighs 60 pnds so I guess it is a retreat first aid kit.Just got some things in the mail today to finish it,dental filling material.Im gonna have to buy a separate bag for dental supplies as my Husky tool bag isn't going to be big enough.It was an informative couple weeks of research.I also bought a third book,"The Survival Medicine Handbook"which is really good.

That sounds like an impressive kit, 60 pounds! I hope for you that you have some means of dividing the supplies so as to keep them organized and easily accessible. Considering the likely financial investment you've made, may I ask why you decided on a large kit instead of a couple smaller ones? Seems like if you end up needing this bag at a roadside accident, you risk loosing a lot if the bag was to roll down the ditch into the swampy mess at the bottom (or in the rain, snow...)



   
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(@theiss)
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I have been away a while from this post - so very sorry for resurrecting a - possibly - old thread.

But for antibiotics, pretty sure you can get them from vets.
My dog had a UTI, and was prescribed amoxicillin - no different in content than in human's antibiotic.
just need to worry about content. I think my dog was only getting 150mg while humans would start at about 500mg (do your research, I'm only going by memory here).



   
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(@bajapablo)
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I have used Cal Vet Supply, quick delivery, good pricing and my orders always had "best dating". I have them shipped to an address in Seattle. Don't know if they ship to Canada or what Customs would do about it.

I have ordered Fish Mox Forte (amoxicillin), Fish Cillin (Ampicillin) Fish Flex Forte (Cephalexin), Fish Flox Forte (Ciprofloxin) and Fish Cin (Clindamycin). Forte means that they are 500 mgs tabs rather than 250 mgs. It's a great way to go in a Grid Down situation, especially if your GP is wary of writing prescriptions for large amounts of antibiotics. I have read a few papers describing that these antibiotics are identical in everyway to those dispensed by pharmacies. Even Thomas Labs who distribute these antibiotics notes the following:

Q. If the antibiotics for fish are the same as the USP grade antibiotics that are dispensed from human pharmacies then why are should humans not take them also?

A. The law clearly states that any antibiotic for non-human use needs to be labeled as “not for human use” regardless of application. Thomas Labs sources it’s antibiotics from the same USP grade manufacturing as antibiotics used for humans, but we are not doctor’s and do not deal in human health problems. Only a doctor can correctly prescribe antibiotics for specific need in humans. Thomas Labs will take no responsibility in the mis-use of its products made for animals. If a human is sick and needs antibiotics then it is likely that person also needs the expertise and guidance of a doctor.

A few references in defence of fish antibiotics.

http://www.doomandbloom.net/video-fish-antibiotics-in-survival-yea-or-nay/

http://www.thesurvivalistblog.net/fish-antibiotics-in-survival-settings/

http://www.thomaslabs.com/topic/22-fish-antibiotic-information.aspx



   
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(@cardwell125)
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HI : I have been a distributor for 17 years for a company that sells essential oils . So it was a given for me when I started prepping in 2009 , that the oils would become a big part of my first aid .
Peppermint properties :: , ;Analgesic,antibacterial,anticarcinogenic,anti-inflamitory,,antiseptic ,antispasmodic ,antiviroal and invigorating ..

Lavender properties :: Analgesic ,Anticoagulant ,anti-convulsive , Anti-depressant , Anti-fungal , anti-histamine , etc , etc .etc
clove oil , lemon oil ,melaleuca ie Tea tree Oil ,....the list goes on and on .
OILS have an indefinite shelf life if stored properly . Most of the oils I have are 15ml bottles so light and easy
Caution when buying ..there are cheap oils on the market and propbably not safe to use in Med preps .. The test I give any new brand of oils is if the peppermint oils says " for external use only " I won't buy it .... The FDA says a GRAS product ie generally regarded as safe .
of course I have the bandaids , etc , etc PAPA JOHN ie cardwell125



   
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(@helicopilot)
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HI Papa John, thank you for bringing up the topic of oils. I have to admit that my knowledge of oils, naturopathy, herbal, and other alternative medicine is very limited. Sadly, it seems that the likely benefits are tainted by very sad stories of people poor judgement, like that of the poor albertan toddler who suffered and eventually died of meningitis while his parents refused to care for him outside of naturopathy.

In all cases, I'd be very interested if you'd like to start a thread on the topic of oils. Maybe explaining what are more reputable ones, what can they be used for, etc. Essentially, bring oils a bit more to the forefront and out of the shadows.



   
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(@grumpy-bear)
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Hey Oldman Prepper
I was an OFA 3 also, I keep a OFA 3 kit in my home, in my Truck and my car oh and on at thr cabin. In my get home bag I carry trauma kits and bandages and polysporin, and disinfectant. a small pack of all the over the counter pain and relief meds that are available and an emergency splint and elastic bandage. Plus a five day supply of my own personal meds. I have been leary to invest in fish antibiotics, I'm still checking them out.


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