Judging how fast crates of ammo disappear from the gun stores, I would say there are lots of them out there.

I agree with aaronbouge, and if I may refer to 'the walking dead' without any shame, I will conclude, one of the biggest mistakes the governor made was thinking that because Rick's groups didn't take such a hard line approach that they were soft. It's not true. After time, even good people become tough, ready to kill for an instant, but that doesn't mean they aren't good people.

This is something which should be discussed in another thread. The idea that there is something more important to protect, then guns, food, fuel, and even your family. Because you might lose any or all of those things, and you will still have to go on.

You have to ultimately ask yourself "What are you protecting?" You can have a family, and you can teach your family to eat humans, and teach your kids to steal from other kids, and even kill them for it, and maybe you will live to see the day when your son becomes a rapist, and maybe when you get too old your children will simply kill and eat you for slowing them down and yeah, technically 'your family' will survive, but will you really?

Ultimately there are values that are to be protected. No torture unless it's a life and death basis, no rape, and if killing, then it must be done quick. These seem reasonable. If you steal, be prepared to be killed or at least challenged.

Perhaps secondary values would be implemented. Apprehension of knowledge, craft and skill and trade. Everyone to be well rounded. Then after those come other subjects of education. If anyone thinks these are worthless, let me remind you, our civilization didn't scramble to survive for thousands of years to continue scrambling, we did it to evolve.

LOL Single cell you have obviously never had combat happen nothing is quick when it comes to killing if you die fast that is a good thing. Most people here could not make a kill shot in a drag out gun fight it will be messy lots of bleed out the smell of iron and cordite in the air whimpering, crying and the smell of piss and shit. It not hollywood there are no "heros" other than hero complexes that get others dead. morals and how things work now dont work when SHFT look at any refugee camp you know why all the things you say you dont do happens to them because they are women and children and the old with no way to defend themselves. The people who have sense of entitlement will entitle themselves to you and yours feel like sharing food wife kids?

You are protecting yourself from predators like no other smart fast relentless, unlike most other species we kill each other, in horrible ways. After doing the killing no matter how justified you will have to PAY emotional damage FOR AS LONG AS YOU LIVE. Ask your self what is worth fighting dieing for?

Then send your wife kids family to die for that and see if that changes how you view what is worth dieing for.. yeah not same list is it......

If you lose you fuel food or shelter you will do one of two things either kill someone and take theirs or die. no second choice. if you go back and attack those who have your stuff same as killing someone else with stuff after all is not possession 9/10 of the law? This stupid notion people have they can live off the land like a cave man is ludicrous at best even with skills with a flint knife in a gun fight you will go the way of the neanderthal.

aarron can you see 500m? guy hiding in bush with rifle think you can escape that one shot at time as your family dies? gonna take the body ? they will eat it if hungry enough.

You think people looting in war give a crap about more than filling belly for now? I can tell you have never reached that lvl of desperation, i wish it on no one but when it is all you think about food or water you dont fucken care how you get it.
I have seen people drink sewage run off to slake thirst even knowing it would kill them. if you dont believe me do a 10 km hike and dont drink one drop of water and try not to run to first water at end and drink too fast so you dont puke.

yeah hide in bush first fire you light first fuck up by a member of your group first time you need to sleep they will find you 1.3 million in gvrd alot of blind leading blind but even so they have the numbers to tilt the odds that they will find you.

the reason they will steal from preppers is only game left in town after day 14. grocery stores have 2 days in stock 99% visible to patrons most are too dumb to know where the warehouses for distribution are in their city which is on a 4 day cycle. so what eat pets day 8-9 then what what little spca wildlife you can get at day 14 no resupply you are only game in town now what?

Arron how much can you carry with you not enough ever so you are running away to no where to no resupply and hope your skills are good enough and gambling your families life on it? How many others are in same boat? It is a bad situation if you dont have place to go with supplies you are basically doomed. add to that no gun yeah that sounds like recipe for disaster. even an empty gun scares two people person using person having it pointed at them. You think skills will get you into community? lets think two adults dog 2 kids so you have 2 eaters with little to no return with two skilled people or they could choose the other desperate hungry liars who come one mouth to feed one set of skill instead of 2 mouths one skill? who do you choose to get most for your community?

Do the math it is ugly. Why do you think old people and kids under 10 have a 80% mortality rate in any wars that last for more than 1 year?

If you are not stocking enough with you to feed and plan on a garden without ability to defend well really does more need to be said about your survival chance?

You can drive enough food for a winter in car how are you going to on foot? on bike? in canoe? you simply cant and you are fooling yourself.

So basically we should all just jump off a bridge together now and get it over with?

I won't be giving up THAT easy.

There is no way of " knowing " what type of SHTF or when SHTF might be.

Might not happen in our life time.
Might happen but not where one lives.

We prepare because we understand it could be anything
and hope to increase both our survival and have an easier time of the unknown situation
by planning ahead for the unknown.

I also won't be giving up that easily

When I read others comments, I often find myself wondering which way I should take their comments. I am still very new to this forum and when I first followed a few threads, I thought that I might be able to shed some real light on some of these subjects that pertain to prepping. I have found some like minded persons that share my views on many subjects and I have heard from others whom I hope can better understand my perspective when I write than I do yours that I find perplexing.

As stated earlier, this "I am your worst nightmare" thread is an awakening to how dangerous some individuals can be. To accept their methods as a norm or consider training your kids to relate to this mentality is definitely shooting oneself in the foot as it will doom human social order and bring about another "dark ages" period where we decline only. When you watch a video like this, try to instead imagine what you could have done to prevent this situation from occurring to you in the first place.

Goldy is right that we don't know the where and when. Yet could you have imagined that you'd be prepping as you likely are, say 3 years ago? Probably not! We never felt as threatened 3 years ago. Many of us know that things are now different , yet we can't quite exactly point out why even now....it could be that countries are going bankrupt and yours is about to likely face such consequences too. And even war has now become a logical solution to some of our problems such as oil shortage, overpopulation and economic collapse.
More and more folks are seeing that something has to give and thus, we finally start preparing!

I live farther out than most of you and will therefore likely feel any effects of social disorder a lot less. Yet, even living here, I still had to work things out in my head, step by step that the "Lone Wolf" mindset is a dead end. Even if you had 2 years supply of food and provisions, separation from "fellowship" with others would take too much toll on your psychological being. We need the company of others and so do your wife and children. We need to see a light at the end of the tunnel...

So all this talk of "lock and load" approach with "shoot first, ask questions later" tells me that you'd best spend more time following what would come after such an event. As I also stated earlier, I have worked out much likely because I live where life isn't so fast, so maybe I have more time to think things out.

A father's natural instinct is to protect his family, so how are you going to do it? I got my gun, I got my 4x4 and a few cans of gas. Now what? I read in a book where the writer suggests that 1st thing to do in an apartment building is to shut off the water for the whole complex. Then everyone has to leave and you get the whole place to yourself! Woopee! Now what? Your still last at the foodline as it starts somewhere out in the countryside!

If you truly believe in preparing, you have to think "renewable resources". Everything pretty much points to moving back to the country lifestyle. Those who opt out first will likely have a better head start. How you do it is YOUR problem and you will have to work it out, but it is really the most logical solution to these times.

I agree with Knuckle....Namelus' version of the future where the only way to survive is to murder everyone you encounter is a pretty bleak one, and does in fact sound like a hollywood interpretation. To say that one can't survive is ludicrous. Self sufficiency and drawing no attention will be the best chance for a somewhat peaceful existence. I just upped my garden to 100x40 this year and I'm giving chickens for meat a go as well. Might as well learn all these skills now while there are grocery stores for backup!

Like i said Knuckle and to others it is simply not good enough to have a bug out plan you need a BOL with people who you will meet up with supplies in stock, you can not do it yourself, if you read my other things i have ask how do you tell foe from 400m and a rifle scope.... you cant so as a moderate you will take extra risk at encounters because you are not a raider or bandit. a guy and his gun and a family in tow is easy pickings, a group with two guns is easy pickings.

It is about making a real plan not some bullshit kumbyeya it will be all right thing. fine have a garden but if in winter your choices are limited in what will grow most of stuff not till spring what will you do? DO you carry that much salt to preserve meat you hunt on the way? DO you have a fence so you can keep wildlife out of garden? It is simple math you can not carry all you need period don't be asshole and put people who count on you at risk because of your pride.

to think you can go little house on the prairie on what you packed with you while you walked there is totally stupid, they at least had 1-2 wagon per family in summer time and they had idea and skills sets that matched what they where leaving to where they where going just google mortality rate of pioneer settlers and you will find treasure trove of stupid idea busting information.THEY WENT IN GROUPS because that was a formation of a society you could get help with when facing the great alone with a just a few of you per location. CBC did a great show the pioneer quest one of the two couples has husband almost die from a simple flu/cold. You think in back pack walking you have all you will need?

How many here know a place to go with people they have arranged with supplies laid down back plan made for both winter and summer bug outs with or without vehicles? you just going to show up and say hey hi i have skills so feed my 5 mouth's till spring and i will help you plant a garden? you think if you are on other side what will you do? you got preps so deep you can take on how many extra? yeah what i thought you only prepped for your self and yet you expect others to prep for you and yours.... we dont even have to go into the cant bring it along when not is a bus sized vehicle.

Said it before cant run away from your prep to nothing you will die or become a bandit because no choice running away from something to something is way different than running away from everything with nothing.

ask war survivors they had look outs on any farmed land because people would steal shit to live do you have enough for a 24 hour watch? Oh i have skippy the wonder mutt yeah for one night then he first in their stew pot then you next dog is ok alarm but can be taken out without vigilance you will miss opportunity at night to fill your larder with wild animals coming to eat your hard work. Dog is only good if trained right an notifies humans on watch without giving position away, your dog that good? or it will taste good.

those of you weak minded fools that look at this as too daunting a task to do will reap your lazy ass reward when it hits the fan.Do not be a grasshopper work like the ants do and prosper or freeze in the cold when it comes winter. If you are waiting for others to save your ass you are just as bad as stupids waiting for government to save theirs.

you bitch moan and whine on here how many of you really put effort in to prep, how much have you learned? put away? and networked? Lots of effort into the easy thing well walk the walk not just talk lip service or in end you will pay with hunger pain and suffering of you and those around you because your plan sucked.

you took first step to come here and find a community dont stop there get yourself ready we all feel the time is short no more time to waste on debating it is time to start doing or do those that look up to you and you profess to love mean that little to you? Daddy mommy i am hungry and cold why cant we go home? I dont want to walk any more i am thirsty. Once you have the basics done what have you provided for their education? you bring a school library with you? enough cloth to make new clothes as they grow? shoes? you think prepping for adults is hard? yeah think again family man they look to you, what in your heart of hearts have you really done to ensure their well being? If you can get your poop together for adults you will never succeed with kids in tow. They need so much more and if planing a few meals it too much and how to get there is too much really? You with kids need community period you could not provide everything they need without a group effort nor could you provide them with the safety and security if something god awful happens to one or both of your adults. Unless you are super rich they you can buy it all yourself if not then you need a group and work as a team, you dont need 5 sets of basic bug out you need advanced support gear as a group.

Whine about jumping off a bridge you weak ass pussy tinfoil if that is all you got then your prep simple 1 cup water one 9 mill total cost $400 make sure you have mouth full of water so concussion kills you when you shoot your self movie style from under chin cause you dont know better and you dont miss cause you would not have prepped a second bullet.

Namelus,

Not exactly sure what you are trying to do here, but the foul language and disrespect for other members' opinion is uncalled for. You may have a different opinion and wish to express it, but a respectful approach would be more convincing and conducive to everyone exchanging ideas.

Now joining in the general conversation, my opinion is that if there were a global, life changing disaster (man made or natural) security would surely be an issue. I agree that lawlessness would become an issue once people begin starving and law enforcement falls apart or becomes inexistent. Owning and being proficient with firearm is important in ump opinion, but being able to work as a group is even more important. Teaming up with people that can assist not only with survival, but "sur-thriving" is important. One could have the perfect homestead with the best garden and animals, but if they cannot assure 24/7 security, they would be an easy and high value target.

Whine about jumping off a bridge you weak ass pussy tinfoil if that is all you got then your prep simple 1 cup water one 9 mill total cost $400 make sure you have mouth full of water so concussion kills you when you shoot your self movie style from under chin cause you dont know better and you dont miss cause you would not have prepped a second bullet.

Wow, how did you get so much internet access at Colony Farms this week?

I agree with helicopilot. Namelus, you are attacking and being disrespectful of those contributing on this forum. You seem to judge all of us, who all have very different lives, means, and situations and may or may have prepped as much as most of us would likely prefer. I am a single mom with two kids and I cannot produce a BOL and a group in a matter of minutes. Everyone here is at different stages of prepping and doing the best they can with what they have. I work to be prepared in case the SHTF RIGHT NOW, but also work to make it a more ideal situation in the time I have left before the S does HTF.

As for the convo on the thread, this bring me back to thinking when is it time to bug out and what to do if you have not yet been able to set up a BOL. And I also have been feeling the need more than ever these past few weeks and months to start building that group. Networking with those in my local area, forming relationships, friendships, and determining who I can trust is all important. I am also focusing on building my skills in terms of security. Planning on getting my PAL and starting to learn how to shoot. Getting a crossbow. But I do know that I do not want to be on my own with my kids and mom when the SHTF. I want a community with whom I can form a group that will give us a better chance. I have already worked on a number of other skills, including gardening and wild foraging and fishing. I hope to increase these and other skills through the year.

Not sure about the rest of you but I'm not prepping so I can be the Omega man. My aim is to survive a moderate disaster and emerge on the other end to a life that's still worth living.

Imagine your existence if 95% of the people die off. You can spend your life farming 16 hours a day and sleep with both eyes open because every person left on Earth is a murderer and a thief. You can look forward to some inbred grandkids and dying of something painful.

On the other hand if even half of us survive it will be because the government banded together what was left and got food to people. In which case the people hiding in the woods farming could have some problems.

Like i said Knuckle and to others it is simply not good enough to have a bug out plan you need a BOL with people who you will meet up with supplies in stock, you can not do it yourself, if you read my other things i have ask how do you tell foe from 400m and a rifle scope.... you cant so as a moderate you will take extra risk at encounters because you are not a raider or bandit. a guy and his gun and a family in tow is easy pickings, a group with two guns is easy pickings.

One can't live in fear that someone out there is targeting you thru hi rifle scope 24/7. No one would ever get anything done. The best we can do is enjoy the day and when someone does tag a member of our group from 400 meter's, others of us flank out even 1mile around and work in till we find him. The sniper needs food and water too and those with patience will prevail. If the lone wolf sniper always wins, our world should be filled with more of their kind by now, but it isn't is it?

Namelus,

Not exactly sure what you are trying to do here, but the foul language and disrespect for other members' opinion is uncalled for. You may have a different opinion and wish to express it, but a respectful approach would be more convincing and conducive to everyone exchanging ideas.

Now joining in the general conversation, my opinion is that if there were a global, life changing disaster (man made or natural) security would surely be an issue. I agree that lawlessness would become an issue once people begin starving and law enforcement falls apart or becomes inexistent. Owning and being proficient with firearm is important in ump opinion, but being able to work as a group is even more important. Teaming up with people that can assist not only with survival, but "sur-thriving" is important. One could have the perfect homestead with the best garden and animals, but if they cannot assure 24/7 security, they would be an easy and high value target.

YUP...agreed
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