Well maybe getting to know people through discussion on here is a start . I think you do have to be quite invested in trust, sweat, and likely money because a prime location anywhere near the lower mainland is not cheap . I think you might want to establish what you think is an adequate bug out location. One persons idea might be far different from anothers .
Wise words Syn. Its a big investment of time and money.
I've been meeting people since I made the post, and will continue doing so for the forseeable future with the same aim in mind. I want to see people, understand them, before I venture with them into such an important, yet unknown territory and build a future with them.
Upon hearing the words of a forum member here, I have considered setting up a regular meeting in lower mainland, either in Surrey or New Westminister, to talk about the SHTF Village as well as general prepping.Thoughts from the community?
Howdy Folks,
You are certainly headed down the right road. The road is bumpy, but worth the trip. Don't stop until you succeed.
IMHO, the most difficult part is to get the ball rolling, but once you get your community drawn together, a synergy will develop to propel your group forward, building bonds, trust, skills and knowledge.
As has been noted in your discuss to this point, there are other threads that have explored this concept in theory and in practice. I will add a few links to give some background of how others have attempted this. Read them or not.
One of the first obstacles to overcome is regular meetings. It can be as easy or hard to solve as you make it. Aaron is on the right thought process - same date every month or day of the month (3rd Tuesday or 2nd Saturday). Someone make a decision and post it. In time, others will make the commitment and align their family life and other commitments, so they can attend regular meetings. If you have multiple groups in a relatively small geographical area and each group has their meeting on a different week, so others can meet and build the bonds that may lead to some sort of mutual assistance agreement between groups, that would be great forethought and planning.
I hope you can all work together and make this happen.
Best success,
Mountainman.
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1835
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=758
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=19&t=847
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=15&t=194
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=2136
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=13&t=1192
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1222
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=50&t=1213
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=26&t=1167
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=1037
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=1030
http://internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=3546
That covers many of the threads about groups and retreats. I hope you find some interesting points to ponder. MM.
Hello Mountainman, I'm certainly feeling the same. I'm getting a lot of passion and interest from people, but when I talk about getting something done some people sit around waiting for someone else (me) to do it for them. And while I think I can get the ball rolling on my own, I'm not finding it so easy. But regardless, I head onwards!
I'm considering beginning meetings on the first Sunday of every month in New Westminister or Surrey along the skytrain route starting this June the 9th, in the evening. That would be accessible both to people in the city who can get around via skytrain, and to people in the east where driving is necessary such as Surrey or Langley. Thoughts people? And please post in this topic is possible rather than PMing me, people need to see activity!
PS. As I said I've been meeting people 1 on 1 in the meantime. If your interested and eager for a project like this to occur then PM me and we can set a 1 on 1 meeting before the group one.
Howdy Laurelian,
You are doing a great job, keep the faith. This will work out, eventually.
One topic that may need to be discussed, is resources and the economy. In our current type of economy, money is the preferred currency, skills, knowledge, experience and tools are not valued above their insurance replacement value in $$. Now, if there is a shift in the economy & skills, knowledge, experience and tools become the accepted currency and money become relatively worthless, then cash, cheques, credit cards and effectively gold and silver will become relatively valueless. Yes, gold & silver will retain some value but may not be the accepted currency.
Having said all that, I want those who currently have a large supply of cash, gold, silver, diamonds, etc to view these possessions as resources. In our current economy, these resources can be exchanged for land, building materials, tools and alternate power sources. In an uncertain future, these could be seen as investments in self-sufficeincy and independence. In a future as I described, converting you wealth of today into the wealth of the future. Building a community now, will allow enough time for the assembly of the skills, knowledge, experience and tools that will be needed in the future.
Further, those with the skills, knowledge, experience and tools, but who lack the cash, silver, gold and diamonds to get started, now is the time to network with others and hopefully a community can be established. A community that understands that personal financial wealth - in today's economy, is not the determining factor of worth and wealth in an uncertain future. You folks have the wealth needed to survive the future.
Best success to all like-minded folks trying to get a community started.
Mountainman.
Laurelin June 9th sounds like a good date to start. I will try to make it out. Where abouts? ?Maybe location date and time should be posted in a fresh thread. Maybe we can get something going like preppersaurus and have a hands on type of meeting. On the second we're making pocket stoves for example. Any ideas people? Laurelin is right lets keep this going and get some activity going in this forum. If you look at the other forums there is much more activity in some of them then in here. Lets get some ideas rolling!
Laurelin June 9th sounds like a good date to start. I will try to make it out. Where abouts? ?Maybe location date and time should be posted in a fresh thread. Maybe we can get something going like preppersaurus and have a hands on type of meeting. On the second we're making pocket stoves for example. Any ideas people? Laurelin is right lets keep this going and get some activity going in this forum. If you look at the other forums there is much more activity in some of them then in here. Lets get some ideas rolling!
I'm thinking Surrey. Any ideas for an activity would be welcome. I could show people how to make DIY dehyrdators if they wish, although thats a real city prepping thing. I use it to make pemmican which has excellent utility. Were we in my kitchen I'd show yall how to do that!
I shall find a place and time soon.
I have come back to this thread because I think to be prepared for negative consequences of collapsing systems and mitigate the impacts , we really have an advantage right now to be working on some planned prepper minded communities .
One that I think is a decent example is Atamai in New Zealand which is blessed with a slightly more advantageous climate but all the same I admire what they are doing and seek to find others looking for something like this :
I definitely agree Syn. I know I've been taking steps towards this, has anyone else?
Okay I take it you were envisioning a parcel of land in the north or the kootenays . But why don't you have that now ?
Would it be financially stable or would you leave jobs and careers behind? With your present experiences and skills can you really do what it takes to run a more remote property sustainably ? Is it a reluctance to leave the BAU worlds amenities entirely or family that is reluctant to live a remote prepper existence ?
Well what if you could have a legally solid investment and entitlement in a property that was zoned to have a private eco friendly designed 600 sq foot cabin for each party serviced with alternate energy or geothermal heating ? with additional earth bermed cargo container storage bunkers/root cellars ? on 40 acres , that can also host a campground , a CSA either private or selling publically for additional income with large areas of veggie gardens, greenhouse, irrigation, poultry production and livestock with barns and fencing , farm machinery and workshop, managed woodlot fuel production on the property and fruit and nut production and berry bushes etc can be planted for perennial production . And there is a large commons 'club' house that could accommodate cooking facilities , lounging , library, exercise room and outdoor areas for playgrounds and outdoor lanais and kitchen with a safe firepit area and other area for recreational use? . Optionally could be run as a B and B or camp for income. Would you invest $300 - $400k for a lifestyle that enabled you to work in Vancouver within a 1.5 hour commute or within 30 minutes to pemberton or whistler or 15 minutes to Squamish , and your sweat into it being aesthetically lovely and providing much of your food organically and having a survival structured community focused on an abundant sustainable lifestyle but with a defensible doomstead tribe of 6 to 8ish small family units working together in that lifestyle and preparing for what may come ? There could be opportunity for pooling for transportation, or maintaining a boat or as mentioned above jointly run businesses on the property ?
Look at this property
http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=13355019&PidKey=1029337654
There would be adaptation for sure but there is a good chance people would not have altogether to give up their income or pastimes, their kids could still go to school and take their sports and such interests, and have organic food production , on property income to pay maintenance, taxes and improvements so the interest in the property derives a bigger benefit than just the living space as all of the 40 acres and community would be contributing to each others welfare . Group buys on things would be natural , group work parties and comradery on whatever level you wanted but some privacy for each unit as well. Having a boat would allow for excursions, fishing and some SHTF transport if you were stranded in the city as the sea to sky highway could be cut off for security reasons in a dire situation .
I was saving this topic and finally read it through tonight but it came to a sudden and unsuspected stop. Can I get an update? Laurelian did you find some people?
I haven't seen laurelian posting for a while now . His trajectory seemed to be very sincere, to unite people he knew and other likemindeds to purchase a property to the north where land assembly would be more affordable . We had some email conversations , my own would be finding likeminded who were not wanting to be too far removed from the south coastal communities which requires one to pony up more money , further it would be my interest to each own our own land but work cooperatively and possibly unite to invest in a bolt hole acreage in New Zealand . In the big picture I sort of see bugging out differently than others.
Thanks Syn. There seems to be a lot of interest in this subject judging by the amount of views.
Okay I take it you were envisioning a parcel of land in the north or the kootenays . But why don't you have that now ?
Would it be financially stable or would you leave jobs and careers behind? With your present experiences and skills can you really do what it takes to run a more remote property sustainably ? Is it a reluctance to leave the BAU worlds amenities entirely or family that is reluctant to live a remote prepper existence ?Well what if you could have a legally solid investment and entitlement in a property that was zoned to have a private eco friendly designed 600 sq foot cabin for each party serviced with alternate energy or geothermal heating ? with additional earth bermed cargo container storage bunkers/root cellars ? on 40 acres , that can also host a campground , a CSA either private or selling publically for additional income with large areas of veggie gardens, greenhouse, irrigation, poultry production and livestock with barns and fencing , farm machinery and workshop, managed woodlot fuel production on the property and fruit and nut production and berry bushes etc can be planted for perennial production . And there is a large commons 'club' house that could accommodate cooking facilities , lounging , library, exercise room and outdoor areas for playgrounds and outdoor lanais and kitchen with a safe firepit area and other area for recreational use? . Optionally could be run as a B and B or camp for income. Would you invest $300 - $400k for a lifestyle that enabled you to work in Vancouver within a 1.5 hour commute or within 30 minutes to pemberton or whistler or 15 minutes to Squamish , and your sweat into it being aesthetically lovely and providing much of your food organically and having a survival structured community focused on an abundant sustainable lifestyle but with a defensible doomstead tribe of 6 to 8ish small family units working together in that lifestyle and preparing for what may come ? There could be opportunity for pooling for transportation, or maintaining a boat or as mentioned above jointly run businesses on the property ?
Look at this property
http://www.realtor.ca/propertyDetails.aspx?propertyId=13355019&PidKey=1029337654
There would be adaptation for sure but there is a good chance people would not have altogether to give up their income or pastimes, their kids could still go to school and take their sports and such interests, and have organic food production , on property income to pay maintenance, taxes and improvements so the interest in the property derives a bigger benefit than just the living space as all of the 40 acres and community would be contributing to each others welfare . Group buys on things would be natural , group work parties and comradery on whatever level you wanted but some privacy for each unit as well. Having a boat would allow for excursions, fishing and some SHTF transport if you were stranded in the city as the sea to sky highway could be cut off for security reasons in a dire situation .
I don't know about you, but I don't know to many people that 2 mil. for land.
The topic was SHTF village , a group endeavour , therefore the land purchase would be a number of people coming together to purchase it, in most circumstances . My example I gave was land legally entitled to have multiple accomodation so it could be used in a recreational aspect or housing , hence I mentioned 6 to 8 families sharing the cost. They would not have to put up 2 million each . But for point of reference , near the BC southcoast region 2 million dollars does not buy as much as other places so if you want to own a home near Vancouver you pay dearly and are taxed to boot.
I lived in Van for 10 years. The north central interior would give better bargains. Still plenty of lakes there.