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61% of Canadians think the world is heading for disaster!

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(@protector)
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I guess we're not as alone as we think! I just hope these people start prepping before an event happens to them

https://www.crop.ca/en/blog/2018/221/



   
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(@wabsey11)
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A three week interference would be something, a hard wake up. A hard hard wake up.


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(@thecrownsown)
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So just to be the wet blanket on this story (Protector knows me well...I'm awful at this sometimes. 🙂 ) The survey is completely subjective. 61% "believe." It doesn't mean there is or isnt a legitimate concern...they survey shows the optics of a particular segment of people. If all you see on the news and on social media is war, famine and mayham...your "belief" is apt to be scewered towards that end...whether its true or not. Also, I don't see how the survey was conducted...was it random individuals to get a sampling of society..was it voluntary on a website which would only bring a certain segment into the survey, how was it conducted, was it open to tampering (multiple voters, etc.)

Add to this subjective poll...the survey gives only two choices....and when there are so many variables to consider one may choose one or the other answer not based on an overwhelming stance on either side...but instead weighing a number of variables both positive and negative. food production is on the increase worldwide, violent crimes continue to drop, and fewer people are dying in wars..and this trend continues. Those are positives. climate change, nuclear weapons and rogue states..negatives. The two choices in the survey could sway a voter one way or the other dependant on a personal subjective belief on what governs.

Its a great article. But polls like this are problematic.


https://www.internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=7738


   
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Wayne
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...Its a great article. But polls like this are problematic.

Thanks for posting Protector. I agree with the crown, these claims shouldn't be considered factual without an adequate understanding of the scope of the survey in-question. I'd be interested in the sampling framework employed.

Anyway, I wish everyone a blessed Easter and hope that the Easter Bunny brings you something special... 🙂


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(@gallowshumour)
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Sixty one percent, eh! Isn't that just about the ratio of voters that didn't vote for Justin? That number should go up, though. Eventually, even his hardcore supporters will have to admit he's a disaster.



   
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Sixty one percent, eh! Isn't that just about the ratio of voters that didn't vote for Justin? That number should go up, though. Eventually, even his hardcore supporters will have to admit he's a disaster.

That I can believe. 🙂


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(@gallowshumour)
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I hate to be that guy who piles on, Protector, but I gotta be that guy.

To add to what Crown and Wayne wrote, just because a majority now think we're headed for disaster doesn't mean they share your belief in preparing for it. A lot of people in this country think that supporting them in every contingency is the government's job. That's why our taxes are so high. I'd also be willing to bet that if the SHTF tomorrow, those same people would be petitioning the government to seize your stuff to share with them.



   
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https://sondage.crop.ca/survey/start/CAWI/blogue/24-tabl_en.pdf

And 4 out of 5 Canadians hate surveys 😀



   
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Wayne
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https://sondage.crop.ca/survey/start/CAWI/blogue/24-tabl_en.pdf

Big claims to substantiate with only seven hundredths of one percent of the population surveyed. That said, I would agree with it. Society is moving in the wrong direction...


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(@protector)
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I agree that even the most expensive polls can be wrong. Trump proved that... It does show a tendency that I've been seeing over the last five years. Main stream stores selling preparedness items. Small stores from all over Canada opening to serve the preparedness market. Most small hunting stores in my area now have small pocket survival kits. At the same time the prepping forums I frequent are extremely slow and contain few posts or gossip.



   
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(@protector)
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Crowns own and I've been trying to form a MAG (mutual aid group) in Ontario for at least two years now. We've both given away supplies; had meeting/ people at our homes and offered to help others do projects to show good faith and learn new skills. Many came to a few meetings and only two other Ppl I know had meetings at their house once. We're looking for ppl/ families that are interested in insuring their future by being ready financially/ water/ food and most importantly what we all lack: like minded people that are insured like us. Have supplies saved up in case of an ice storm. My supplies would dwindle quickly if I had to feed a group by myself. How does one family watch over itself 24/7 with sufficient numbers? What about build perennial systems like food/ water/ shelter that auto sustain themselves and provide cashflow that pay for themselves? Just having a cool place to go fish/ hunt and sit by a fire with friends that are self sufficient! Don't need hand outs



   
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(@protector)
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By the way for the people that don't give for fear of not receiving/ getting stolen from or found out; how many prepping buddies you got? It's going to stay that way! We're all here because we need skills/ feedback on things our families know very little or nothing about; call us paranoid. Because having something such a water saved is bat shit crazy



   
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(@gallowshumour)
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I agree that even the most expensive polls can be wrong. Trump proved that... It does show a tendency that I've been seeing over the last five years. Main stream stores selling preparedness items. Small stores from all over Canada opening to serve the preparedness market. Most small hunting stores in my area now have small pocket survival kits. At the same time the prepping forums I frequent are extremely slow and contain few posts or gossip.

That's just the thing, though. Those pocket survival kits have been sold in sports stores forever. A true commitment to prepping goes well beyond buying small do-dads that'll support you for two or three days (and not in comfort either, unless they've shrunk a sleeping bag into that sardine can). It's planning how to heat and power your house when the grid is down, or how to obtain potable water, or having plans of what to take and how to reach one another if you have to evacuate and you're apart. I'll tell you now, nobody I personally know has even bothered to think about that, and many don't even want to hear about it.

It's sad, too, when you consider what some people think is "an imminent emergency." One dope at work once started asked me about kayaking barrels for food storage. I told him that kayaking barrels were not food-grade quality plastic, and could potentially ruin his food supply. I then asked him why he needed them. This conversation was in September 2012, and he told me it was because the Mayan calendar said the end of the world would happen in October. I just stared at him for a few seconds, absolutely gobsmacked, then I said, "Y'know we had an ice storm once, right? No power for days on end, freezing cold, right?" "This,"' I said, pointing at his calendar, "this is what you're f**king preparing for!?" Once the Mayan calendar scare was over he went back to being his regular stupid self, no more prepping required, apparently.

There was one bright spot on the prepping horizon once, many years ago, but I haven't seen it since. It was the April after Stephen Harper first got elected. One night on TV there was an ad for National Emergency Preparedness Week, which I believe is May 6th to 12th this year. They even gave the Government of Canada Emergency Preparedness website address: https://www.getprepared.gc.ca/index-en.aspx
If you asked for it, they'd send you - taxpayer funded, I refuse to use the word "free" when talking about stuff the government hands out, all sorts of pamphlets and posters containing emergency preparedness info, some specific to your area of the country. They still have all those documents, but now you have to print them out yourself. The information on the website is really to cover the first 72 hours of an emergency, 'til the government gets its act together, but it might not be a bad idea to send that website address to your friends; you know, to kinda get them thinking.



   
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(@protector)
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Actualy our store sells washed out capre barrels used for transport. Their HDPE 2 which is the safest food grade plastic their is. I agree with you a mint kit ain't going to do much. It's meant to be the 1 in the rule of 3. I have a mylar tent/ blanket and painters plastic from dollarama in my costco cargo pants when I Goin the woods as my final straw or day kit. I won't go in the woods with someone without their own survival gear. Even the dogs have kits or I carry extra. Normal not to put others in danger by not having gear.



   
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(@protector)
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Anyways not worried about that; I'm worried about long term perennial systems to feed the unprepared sheeple I will have to take in shtf or worse. The rest I can handle on my own. It's minute chance but I like to be ready for anything. It's the responsible thing to do. Security being paramount in those situations. A house with lots of windows made of wood. I'm here to be prepared for anything. Call me Protector! I was referred Praxis Prepper you tube channel and watched the alien series. A funny way to talk about EMP and different ways to prep for it. What got me was the gun nut prepper got taken out fast (he had no idea he was a prepper) one lady and she got the drop on the other guy even with a trip wire system! Basically u screwed with less than 10 capable watchers long term. 5 sleep; 3 on guard and two plus the older kids working their butts off to grow/ gather food. Gathering wouldn't be safe. Firewood/ cleaning/ making defenses.



   
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