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 prom
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My head went sideways at that one too. Unless the troops are some sort of highly trained group of medical experts, I feel like sending non-medical personnel into this situation could lead to 4000 more chances for Ebola to hit North America.

I asked myself the same question when I first read the news to respond to Knuckle's claim that US is sending soldiers instead of doctors. So after giving it some thought I think it actually makes sense. (see my previous post on what they are going to do there)

One of the reasons why the crisis got to this point is that health care facilities in west Africa are full and sick people are sent back home where they infect other people. So one of the critical things that those countries need is help to build those kind of temporary facilities. Another thing is supplies and training to help them deal with sick or dead people. All this requires lots of manpower but not all of them need to be medical experts. Actually only a few will be needed to run the labs. Ebola is not treatable so there is not a big demand for doctors.

The army is the best candidate to do all the above. They have the discipline, the organization, and the chain of command. And they will respond better to quarantine if need be. There is no other government agency that has that kind of manpower. As for the risk of sending so many people there ... I think it's manageable, and better to fight the disease there than here.



   
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 Syn
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Look at the situation the army arrived to, sick individuals were having family storm medical facilities and take them home,, educators were slaughtered, supplies could not be delivered. In fact one of their first tasks was repairing the tarmac of the airport so it would hold up to aircraft bringing in supplies and volunteers . There is a broad need for some synchronicity of management , engineering skills to security work . Primarily they are setting up for those who come to administer to the sick a working infrastructure that gives them more security to do their work. They have set up labs to expedite ebola testing . They are offering to educate presumably those who are amoungst the survivors who have some level of immunity the skills to tend the sick decreasing the risk of infection . They are providing an essential framework and leadership. Certainly they have my respect for their contribution there .



   
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cernunnos5
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Second healthcare worker.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=esfIWSNPiUA


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cernunnos5
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A dirty traveler (like those filthy folks who don't wash their hands at all after using the toilets & urinals) could infect hundreds in a city

I am definitely one of the Dirty Unwashed Travellers. Unapologetically. You see, I know exactly where my pecker has been. (Outside of two black outs in my life. I horribly remember all the sorted details. Some are cherished memories of embarrassing debauchery. As Dan Savage says, "if you don't feel dirty after, you're not doing it right).
My point is that I would never....ever....touch the sink handles in a mall, more important, an airport, most important, a hospital. Nor the towel dispenser, latch, flusher, blower....and I don't care about the WASPs that notice with disapproval. I open doors with my elbows or use my frumpy traveler sleeves pulled down like gloves to open doors. I can sleep in a squat on a moldy matrices in week old clothes.....but public bathroom fixtures I will rarely touch. Especially in air ports or hospitals.

Its a Virus Hot Zone, Primary Point of Contact. ( If only I could figure out a way to deal with visa machines or cash transaction....)

My pecker may be dirty...but it is the right type of dirty 😉 . I know exactly where it has been. Bathroom fixture...not so much.


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(@goldie)
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I carry hand sanitizer , and I also open the public washrooms with my sleeves pulled down or a paper towel
and I flush the toilet with my foot shoe etc. etc.

OK .. on this note ... can we create a list of the worst areas for contact and suggestions to follow for each :



   
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cernunnos5
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I might as well post this here. One of my last minute Ebola upgrades was a good sized pack of cotton gloves. Like many things I do, It seems silly and counterintuitive...until you think it through. Cotton gloves offer little protection...but they are slightly awkward. It forces you to concentrate on what you actually touch without thinking. About to reach for something? cotton gloves make grasping a can or doorknob...awkward...so you notice it. Its rude to shake hands with gloves...so you wont do it instinctively. It will point out if you are unknowingly scratching your face, rubbing your eyes, nose or lips...because its not the same in cotton gloves. Just try picking your nose. lol. I went so far as to spend the few extra dollars to specifically get black gloves because I knew I would be far more likely to where black gloves in public. It matches my leather jacket and makes me seem oh so mysterious and dangerous. LOL. Accessories make the man.


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(@oldtimegardener)
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If only I could figure out a way to deal with visa machines or cash transaction.... .

C5 I have been rackin my brain about that one for some time. If you find a solution would be happy to hear about it.

However in the mean time I came up with another problem while grocery shopping some time ago.
A guy was taking cans off the shelf and reading the label...quite normal you say and it is.
BUT in the process he lets out several sneezes...and continued reading. Hand partly over face but those same hands went on to the can.
Needless to say I didn't take any of the cans.

So how many other cans/pkgs. and on what..not just foods I am sure..
That all led me to wonder what was going on in the back with stockers. Did they come in with flu but not sick enough at stay home or can't miss work as they needed the $'s?
It's become a scary world we all live in and I can't see how we can't protect from everything.

I still say our immune system is what has got to be really taken care of.
Tho they are saying that will not stop Ebola.....


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cernunnos5
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I carry hand sanitizer , and I also open the public washrooms with my sleeves pulled down or a paper towel
and I flush the toilet with my foot shoe etc. etc.

OK .. on this note ... can we create a list of the worst areas for contact and suggestions to follow for each :

Good idea. I have my own list. As I said, financial transactions is a biggy. A thousand people have touched that debit/ credit machine that same day. Same with a bank machine. Cash is slightly better...but cash still passes through a lot of hands...and is handled by the teller that had touched a lot of money that day. Whenever things are looking "Hot" I tell MrsC5 to pick up a hundred or two extra...in five dollar bills. If I don't feel confident in a transaction, I can always say, "Keep the change" and just look at the max 4.95 as the TDT. (Transmittable Disease Tax). Yes, Its not just Ebola (E.T). Ive always known we would see a killer disease in our lifetime. I used to joke, "There is absolutely nothing wrong with this fine world...that a mutated, airborne Ebola virus wouldn't solve". Maybe that joke isn't quite as funny now. I knew we would get hit. I just didn't think it would be, actual, honest to goddess, Ebola. Just goes to show, you could prepare for everything...then have your 3 year old hit you in the head with a hammer to see if you make a sound in the forest.
Speaking of which, Schools. Children have no self control or disease protocols. Most flues pass through schools and onto the parents. Any parent figures their kid is going to kill them. This case, its actually true. Same with universities, especially ours. University has become a financial racket and they only survive to fill the corporate heads pockets, buy luring overseas students and fleecing them. Well, viral paybacks a bitch.
Public transit is also a biggy. You have to hold onto something. Cough, cough. Time to switch over to the bike I always recommend as your #2 prep. (#1 is a wood stove)

I take all of this with a giggle and not panic because I have been expecting it so long. Its like putting out the trash to me. OOPs. I forgot to put out the trash...just goes to show about the 3 year old with the hammer.

Groceries. worst case, you shop in rubber gloves, and set the grocery bags in the back room for two or tree weeks before handling them


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(@goldie)
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Of interest, since I started downloading free ebooks from Amazon in September,
I have now downloaded 74 free ebooks with the keyword Ebola

Most of them have lower ratings. I have not read any of them. But decided to see how many I can
collect , many or most of them are probably just somebody jumping on the ebola wagon to make a buck
from scared people that decide to buy them on a non free day. It seems there is loads of new EBOLA ebooks daily. 🙄



   
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(@anonymous)
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Man, now you guys are making me paranoid where my "ignorance is bliss" tactic has worked so well up to this point! I don't go to money machines often as I do the cash back when fueling up and prefer cash transactions overall just to leave less tracks. My worse half(as that makes me the better 😉 ) Always tells me about shopping carts dirty handles (amongst all the other things she feels I must know) and I often catalog it with the such as spam mail and dusting.

Seems I first note these other things instead, like the local trappers saying that the lice is so thick these days that they can now see the lice running up their arm as they skin out a beaver...that amazes me because I can't even read a medicine bottle anymore and they are my age too. Then the black bear are getting far more aggressive than when I last guided as their population increased drastically due to the cancelling of the spring bear hunt years ago. That seems logical and thus I accept it as gospel. Then later the same guy starts talking about Sasquatch sitings... 🙄

So when I'm out hunting with a friend and we make a campfire, do I now ask him if he washed his hands before he touched the coffee pot? I mean he made some yellow snow earlier as I did! And we all know snow is dirty so you can't wash in that? And now if we boil some warm water, how do you do light the fire and put on the pot without contaminating the handle of the pot? My mitts are always far dirtier than my hands....

I could go on and on about such as this but I'd likely really gross some readers by mentioning having blooded hands while skinning and gutting too. Yes, I wash before or after doing many such things but there are times when you can't. Packing around little handi-wipes might be somewhat tedious in the outdoor aspect and trusting on one's immune resistance might be required in many SHTF scenarios. I envision lots of folks will fret over such minor things for only a short while or they'll have a heart attack instead from fretting over the little things.

Do you toss the meat if your bullet hits the lower intestines and you get some poop on the meat....or just wash it off? Do you throw out anything in your freezer as it's best before date is past or do you open it and eat it if it appears eatable? My wife won't do many things I do and she's native...go figure! She's the one with Lyme disease and I'm in the bush alot more than she ever is...go figure!



   
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(@anonymous)
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Now I hate that I find such a link as this to promote folks to again raise their fears of Ebola! 😡 Yet it seems that alot of previous known data collected on Ebola is now being hidden from the public eye. Why do our governments do that? 😕

StormCloudsGathering is a YouTube video maker that seems to always provide substantiated evidence to back up his videos an this is why I trust his opinion....on this note, check this link out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XIDmK5qwarU

Seems that Ebola has been considered the perfect biological weapon by the US army back in the 80's because of it's ability to spread through the air. Something that the US now states it doesn't do. Seems Canada even proved this many years ago and posted it on their official government website for years but just removed this detail this year too. Again...Why would we do that? 😯

And I know I won't look any better wearing a dumb mask everyday either! 🙄 Now he suggests that this isn't worthy protection either. Phew, Good thing eh? 😉

- @ time 23:20 he mentions that Colidal Silver seems to have the potential to kill various types of viruses including the kind of which Ebola is. Why don't they mention this aspect either?

This video is an awakening to the potential to have such outbreaks. Seems living in the cold north at least increases my chances over my southern neighbors!



   
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