Thank you that was to be used later. I think canada has some good robust laws but rationality has to be used when classifying FA's. There should be a IRREFUTABLE reason why it gets jumped up from NR TO RESTRICTED TO PROHIB.
Thank you that was to be used later. I think canada has some good robust laws but rationality has to be used when classifying FA's. There should be a IRREFUTABLE reason why it gets jumped up from NR TO RESTRICTED TO PROHIB.
The RCMP do not make the law. Like you've mentioned, they're responsible for the technical determination of the classification of firearms in accordance with the Criminal Code. In a similar way, any charges that have been made are interpreted by the court.
Jimbo, I too have a problem with how all this is applied. Every function should have oversight. The RCMP however, are told what to do by Government. It's not like they have a choice. If the Government wishes to create a national driver's license system and tells the RCMP to manage it, the RCMP is involved in issuing driver's licenses. They only perform the functions that they are authorized to perform.
Do they screw-up? Absolutely! They are human and fallible. Do they try to do their best? Yes. Whatever they do, there will be a group of people who wont be happy. You can't satisfy everyone, all the time.
Perhaps it would be better for the Government to take all firearms classification out of the hands of the RCMP. This would allow the police to seize any weapon they (on reasonable and probable grounds) felt was restricted or prohibited, charge the person in possession and have the matter dealt with in the courts. Case law would be the result from which a list of firearms would result. Each firearm on the list would be backed-up with judicial decision that that specific firearm was determined to be restricted or prohibited.
I believe that the classification system is a method in which the public can save themselves the expense of a court case. The end result however would be the same. You could purchase a weapon today and years later have it determined by a court of law to be prohibited. It would be the court that would make it so, not the classification by the RCMP. Perhaps the public would feel better somehow how the classification was made; perhaps not...
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
You mean as is currently the case with BX 25 mags?
Wayne,
Check out this egregious abuse of power by the RCMP. I added a few follow up articles. I doubt you you will read any of it though.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/cop-facing-15-charges-also-named-in-civil-lawsuit-1.589083
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/former-surrey-mountie-loses-appeal-of-firearm-convictions
Wayne,
Check out this egregious abuse of power by the RCMP. I added a few follow up articles. I doubt you you will read any of it though.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/cop-facing-15-charges-also-named-in-civil-lawsuit-1.589083
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/former-surrey-mountie-loses-appeal-of-firearm-convictions
As a LAGO's we could only hope to get a judge sentence me like any number of the RCMP If we violated the law and were arrested after seeing how they get treated vs anybody else in the same position.
Wayne,
Check out this egregious abuse of power by the RCMP. I added a few follow up articles. I doubt you you will read any of it though.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/cop-facing-15-charges-also-named-in-civil-lawsuit-1.589083
http://vancouversun.com/news/local-news/former-surrey-mountie-loses-appeal-of-firearm-convictions
I've read these articles. I've said this more than once, so for the sake of repeating myself one more time, Police Officers are people. As such they are fallible. Some even have criminal intent, the vast majority do not.
When police are convicted of a criminal offense, the sentences can be seen as less severe in some cases (if they are incarcerated, they have to be placed in protective custody). This does pose a problem for sentences under 2 years (Provincial Institutions). In the case of more major offences, the penalties are often more severe. The Judge will often feel that the Police Officer committed a breach of trust. Hardened Criminals are expected to be dirtbags, police officers are expected to be held to a higher standard of public trust and I totally agree in the case of major crime.
In the aforementioned articles, you reference individual acts of crime or poor judgement. Without question there are many more you could reference. Unfortunately, the positive acts that happen much more often on a daily basis often escape notice. The teenager who makes a mistake and is given a second chance. The motorist who's injured and covered in gasoline in his overturned vehicle. A Cop crawls into the car to pull him out risking his own safety. The list is almost endless...
In summation, yes the Police can make mistakes. No individual is perfect. The reality of the situation is that this is very seldom the case. Thousand of police officers work around the clock to keep people safe. They honestly care and they try their best, but that's not very newsworthy is it?
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
Once again (purposely perhaps) you missed the point Wayne. The articles were not presented to show there are dirty or good cops out there. They are there to show why average citizens may not think the RCMP might not have their best interests at heart regarding legal guns. Silvercore was the poster child for "good guy company" as you would phrase it and they got royally screwed for no good reason. Eight years later... uh ya we're sorry. Think about that the next time you want to be so free and easy with your personal info and space. Apparently being the "good guy" aint much protection.
if you give police the power to do something, they will use it. Good or bad. The idea is to keep LE in check, not put them on their honor.
There is sufficient research out there that even the most honest and pure beings will abuse power if they are given it. Hence why there is oversight and rules and boundaries.
That goes for those within LE and everyone else also in case we feel that LE are being unfairly centered out.
https://www.internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=7738
...hey are there to show why average citizens may not think the RCMP might not have their best interests at heart regarding legal guns.
We are not talking about the RCMP. We are talking about two police officers out of over 30,000+ in Canada that do their best every day to uphold the law. I agree with Crown. Disagree with the actions of the one or the few and don't blame the vast majority. You do a disservice if you judge a book by a couple of words on the cover page. A bit of perspective is in order.
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
Wayne, you claim it's 2 out of 30,000 + members. I hate to keep hammering on them but please, theres a bunch more that are bent. I mean if they let the Robert Dziekański murders off, along with thousands of lesser crimes ,assault, battery, perjury,Yea I know they will lie to someone and claim
it was to make the case. Back to my point they RCMP/ SUB CFO are being given lead to classify something prohib and then they RCMP enforce this classification of prohib, yea tell me again the system isn't broke. But this is how they will try to get rid of any LAGO's possessions one at a time. Awe come on guys its only the 858 today, And next week?
Jimbo, All I'm saying is you can't blame the RCMP for doing the job assigned to them by Government. Blame the Government and remember this at the next election. If RCMP officers screw-up, hold then accountable individually, keeping in-mind that mistakes will be made by any well-meaning person. Prosecute anyone with criminal intent.
Realize too that the Canadian Judicial System too is imperfect. People will be convicted that are innocent. The guilty will also be het-off scot free. We live in an imperfect world.
Know that weapons designed for military conflict and those derivatives will be targeted by the government and subsequently by the police and court system. In a similar way, if you go out and buy a muscle car with a super charger sticking out of the hood, you will draw police attention. Most thinking individuals realize this before they turn the ignition.
I'm not saying that I agree with it, but I've found it prudent to understand the political climate I live in. Sometimes it is a bitter pill to swallow.
None you improvise, one (or more) is luxury.
Locking topic as it has degraded into an argument.