Could it hurt to sign?
They already know who the gun owners are....
A little more privacy never hurt.
https://petitions.parl.gc.ca/en/Petition/Details?Petition=e-111
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Unfortunately, our kook Liberal government has decided to flush the petition:
ht tp://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/guns-firearms-ar-15-gun-control-1.3746616
Trudeau government rejects e-petition to lift restrictions on AR-15
Gun owners and gun control advocates take stand on rifle ahead of fall sitting of Parliament
By Elizabeth Thompson, CBC News Posted: Sep 05, 2016 5:00 AM ET Last Updated: Sep 05, 2016 5:10 AM ET
The Liberal government has rejected an e-petition to reclassify the AR-15 rifle as unrestricted.
The Liberal government has rejected an e-petition to reclassify the AR-15 rifle as unrestricted. (Alex Brandon/AP)
In a response to the petition, quietly tabled in the House of Commons this summer while it wasn't sitting, Public Safety Minister Ralph Goodale said he has "no intention" of invoking a section of Canada's criminal code to reclassify the firearm as unrestricted.
Goodale said police should be the ones to decide how each firearm in Canada is classified.
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"The government is committed to putting decision-making authority about weapons classification back into the hands of police, not politicians," wrote Goodale, pointing out that the government believes in striking a balance between public safety and ensuring firearms owners are treated fairly under the law.
"The Royal Canadian Mounted Police is responsible for the technical determination of the classification of firearms in accordance with the criteria stipulated by Parliament in the Criminal Code."
25,000 signatures gathered online
Goodale's comments come in response to an e-petition launched by Marc Bennett of Cornerbrook, N.L., and sponsored by Conservative MP Bob Zimmer. The petition, calling on the government to reclassify the AR-15 as unrestricted, garnered 25,249 signatures.
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Public Safety and Emergency Preparedness Minister Ralph Goodale says police, not politicians, should decide gun classification. (Adrian Wyld/Canadian Press)
It is legal to own the AR-15, although its restricted status means that gun owners must have a restricted firearms licence and are only supposed to use them for specified purposes, such as target shooting at an approved club or range.
The petition points out that the AR-15 is popular with gun owners, many of whom believe it was classified as a restricted firearm based more on its cosmetic appearance. They say it is no more dangerous than many other, non-restricted rifles.
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"This rifle is the most versatile hunting rifle in the world," the petitioners wrote. "The calibre can easily be changed to meet lawful provincial hunting requirements from small game to big game animals, without the need to purchase multiple gaming rifles."
However, the AR-15 has become a lightning rod in the debate over gun control, after it was used in a number of mass shootings in the United States like the one at Sandy Hook Elementary School in Connecticut and a movie theatre in Aurora, Colorado.
Variant of military rifle
Goodale said the AR-15 is restricted because it is "a named variant of the restricted M-16 rifle.
"The AR-15 is restricted because of its lineage to the military-issued M-16 assault rifle," he wrote.
Gun advocates were quick to criticize Goodale's decision.
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Corner Brook's Mark Bennett wanted to see the AR-15 legalized for hunting use in Canada. (Submitted)
Tony Bernardo of the Canadian Shooting Sports Association said he expected the government to be "intransigent" and refuse to reclassify the AR-15 because he says it is a "no win" issue for the Liberals. He said he is particularly disturbed about the government's decision to leave firearm classification to police.
"What is very concerning is that we'll let the police decide what our firearms laws are," he said. "The last time I looked, we elected parliamentarians to the House of Commons to decide what our laws are, not police officers."
"Police officers jobs are to enforce the law — not create it."
Gun control advocates, however, applaud Goodale's position.
"I think that's an appropriate decision," said Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control.
"Most countries around the world, at least industrialized countries, prohibit civilian access to the AR-15 because it is a military weapon," she said. "So the fact that it is even available on a restricted basis in Canada, from our perspective, is a problem."
Firearms a hot button issue
As Parliament prepares to resume sitting later this month, the fate of the AR-15 may be the least of the government's problems when it comes to firearms.
The Liberals made a series of promises during the election, many of which would tighten up Canada's gun rules. In their first few months in office, however, they do not appear to have made much headway in fulfilling those promises.
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Wendy Cukier of the Coalition for Gun Control would like the Liberals to start acting on their election promises. (brocku.ca)
Scott Bardsley, spoksman for Goodale, said the government is working to develop a strategy to reduce gang violence and make it harder for criminals to acquire and use handguns and assault weapons.
"We are also committed to continuing to make major investments in social infrastructure to address social roots of violence."
While the federal government doesn't plan to recreate a gun registry, officials are helping the Quebec government, which plans to create its own registry, he said.
The government's firearms advisory committee is currently in limbo. Previous members, like Bernardo, were told in December that their mandates had expired, but new members have not been named.
UN marking system
Bernardo said the biggest issue in coming months for gun advocates will be the prospect of Canada implementing proposed United Nations regulations on the marking of firearms.
"The United Nations firearms marking system, the deadline for implementation on that is June 1, 2017," Bernardo said. "Its implementation will be absolutely ruinous to the firearms industry, yet there doesn't seem to be any intention of changing that implementation date."
'We're really looking forward to action this fall'
- Wendy Cukier, Coalition for Gun Control
Bernardo said there is also concern over a recent decision to turn a particular type of magazine for .22 rifles into a prohibited device.
"They took a magazine for a .22, just a regular .22 – as a matter of fact, the most popular .22 rifle ever made — and they have made 1.25 million magazines for this rifle that are in Canada now — into prohibited devices. And these prohibited devices, if you're caught with them, can carry a jail term of up to 10 years in jail."
Meanwhile, gun control advocates like Cukier want the Liberal government to start making good on its election promises.
"To give them the benefit of the doubt, they have had a very, very full legislative agenda. They have had a number of issues that they had not anticipated. So I think, on balance, it's understandable that perhaps this wasn't one of the first things that they did during their mandate but we're really looking forward to action this fall."
Elizabeth Thompson can be reached at elizabeth.thompson@cbc.ca
Redundancy is King: "Two is one, one is none."
Found this story very amusing. 😆
I remember kookier from way back in the beginning days of gun control. Very definition of shrill harpy.
Found this story very amusing. 😆
I remember kookier from way back in the beginning days of gun control. Very definition of shrill harpy.
Maybe this university needs more safe spaces and legislation on triggering to protect them.... 🙄
https://www.internationalpreppersnetwork.net/viewtopic.php?f=57&t=7738
Well, the crime scenes’ investigators have not even left and the government is already leveraging the Nova Scotia madman’s shooting to bring up “military style weapon ban” once again.
The list is rather exhaustive and again proves there is no rhyme or reasons beyond look and emotional responses, this the case for the Mini14, solely on account that it was used at the Polytechnique.
The unfortunate reality is that this will only affect law-abiding citizens since the concept of legality means nothing to criminal. Thank goodness that we don’t have a meth problem in Canada since it’s an illegal substance...
In any other circumstances, the $250M price tag (already questioned as grossly underestimated) for the buy-back would make a strong argument for debate in Parliament, but when tens of Billions of dollars are announced daily on TV, that $250M appears insignificant to the citizens of a country heading into major recessions.
And now... let’s try to keep discussions civil should someone wish to add to this post.
Heli, your forgot heroin, cocaine, fentanyl, magic mushrooms and until recently Pot. . Of course it won’t work to stop crime. The largest mass murder until this loon was not the quebec university but the blue angel bar fire in montreal. Some loon locked a bars door and threw in some Molotov cocktails. A nutbar is a nut bar and so are criminals in our inner cities, all criminals. They also obtain many of their weapons from US sources that everyone in LEA knows, do in part come in from native reserves. Want to hit organized crime? Hit the borders running people and all manner of contraband I to and out of the various border reserves.
Want a good laugh, go gather the cigarette butts outside CRA and other federal department offices. Most of the garbage is illegal cigarettes! 😯 😮 😆 😳 😳 Be fun of the police actually photographed civil servants tossing the buts on the ground and then went and interviewed them to ask where they got the illegal ciggies and then trace back to source! Won’t happen of course because everyone knows the answer
If they did, One will need to be ready for more bridge and train blockades of course 😆 😆 😆 😆 😆
Everyone honest knows this gun seizure agenda has zero to do about reducing crime but is solely a means to disarm good law abiding citizens who dishonest and corrupt governments fear. Every dictatorship in history has always disarmed the public under false pretexts. I am NOOOOO radical wing nut but rather a well informed individual who is honest, has worked with our best in securing our country and knows history and can smell a lie,a mile away.
As to parliament, your analysis on debts is bang on and this will be just a tiny amount in our coming depression. Will conservatives stand together and do what is right? Will some of the NDP with seats in northern areas stand with conservatives?
The joining of the two parties to defeat any bill to seize guns is the only chance we have.
Will conservatives stand together and do what is right? Will some of the NDP with seats in northern areas stand with conservatives?
The joining of the two parties to defeat any bill to seize guns is the only chance we have.
This is the best part: there is no bill to vote on (oppose to)! Using Order in Council is a way for the government to make rules within rules without a need to bring this to Parliament. Because there is already such things as banned weapons, they are simply “adding to the list”. So, just in about the same way as our PM ordres his Chef to make him Poutine for dinner, he can order random firearms lumped together only on account of single, isolated incident, to be added to the banned list!
About the only think that could prevent this would be a court injunction. While the Tories and some NDPs (and possibly some Liberals if they were allowed free votes) would have voted against such legislation, I doubt any one politician will reach to the courts. That leaves only the handful of rather weak gun lobbyists and gun-right support groups to launch such a process. The problem is unlike the all encompassing NRA, our gun support groups are fragmented and membership somewhat irrelevant in a per-Capita context.
So, the announcement that has yet to come is what the buy-back process will be: grace period (which should have a COVID factor), and dollar value.
The issue is, what is the value of a possession that can’t be bought, can’t be sold and can’t be used? Adding to this that ARs are probably the most customizable firearm out there, the pre-ban value can probably go from $600 for a plain Jane Norinco out of the box, to $5000+ for a competition-tweaked rifle.
In the meanwhile, even if people protest and hold on to the very last second to turn them in (say 2 year grace), because they are banned, that will also mean they won’t be able to be taken to the range. So over time, even some reluctant owners may see that they are holding on to a piece of black metal and plastic they can’t do anything with other than keep it, legally stored double-locked in a cabinet/vault and will eventually cave in to the buy back scheme.
Sigh
As a side note, I was looking earlier today and there isn’t a single Mini14 that can be found anywhere in store in Canada. Just like in the US, nothing beats a rumour of ban for gun business!
Every single thing you state is I believe accurate.
Yeppers, I can imagine the low ball buy back offer.
The only thing is for a new government to come in and overthrow all these utterly useless laws, remove the silly designations from rcmp decision making process. This gun is evil, this one is ok. Same bloody caliber, same five round clip...... just somehow scarier. Now perhaps one has a lighter trigger pull or some such thing but again, a useless effort due to the FACT only criminals break the laws ALREADY on the books for past few hundred years!
I didn’t see anything about handguns? Regardless, they will fall under the same witch-hunt drama queen efforts.
Nope. Either a Supreme Court challenge and I would go for one on exactly what they are doing and that is, a black gun with a pistol grip is no different then uncle bobs semi. It’s purely prejudicial and based on color or look! Use their silly laws of prejudice against them, it’s all it really is and some smart lawyer should be able to find a clause in our rights and freedoms document to fight it. How our justices would rule is something I am not overly confident in. One look at the guy who was charged with buying booze in Quebec and bringing back to New Brunswick demonstrates to me how the courts are afraid to rule against those who appoint them.
That or a conservative gov with a backbone.
If people want this power and gun grab beat, we will need a new government and given the nose bleed deficits we are and will continue to run, a no confidence vote would in my opinion be a worthwhile attempt.
In my younger days the vein in my head would be throbbing, blood pressure rising...now not so much, my target shooting/collecting days are over, been so for a long time, when I take my glasses off and set them down, if I don't remember where I set them, I could spend a hour or more looking for them so as you can imagine my aim isn't improving anymore. Increasingly my knees make popping sounds, so my days of thinking about storming the bastille are long past. Leave me a crossbow so I may take the odd deer and I wont complain too much, or to often. I now days, leave this subject for others to battle, I try to think of rainbows and bunny rabbits,...keeps my blood pressure down.
I did have my fun with interesting toys way back in my 20s, so I will have to be content with those memories.
Give a man a gun, and he can rob a bank. Give a man a bank, and he can rob the world.
For banter sake, I’ll share the gist of a post someone made recently somewhere else.
At the end of the day, the frustrating part is the use of OIC for banning firearms. The poster said maybe a lot of non-gun owners could be indifferent to that fact, but made an example that the way this was done, the government could easily have gazetted “OIC decrees that abortion’s are now banned” (the argument contended that a sizeable number of religious conservatives consider abortions as murder... something I will personally wade into as an argument - not for this forum).
It could have also been “OIC decrees that motorcycles are to be outfitted with a 110km/hr governor” (to prevent deaths...) or that “burgers above 1/4 lbs, French fries or cheesecake may not be served in restaurants” (to prevent cardiovascular diseases).
As silly as it may sound, there’s probably more science to back the rationale of the last argument than there is banning ARs in the spirit of preventing deaths.
As I sense that further posts on my part on this matter will likely become more emotional and less rational, I’ll bow out of the discussion. As I close however, I wanted to share that the CCFR is making a court challenge on the OIC. If you’re not a member and feel for the cause, may I suggest joining their ranks?
Not my video sorry. I wont be turning in my lower or upper, but I built one of these.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v= https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZM-CNAsRflU