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I'm just moving this back to the top of the NS board as a good Samaritan act. Keep the Food, Firewood and Fuel stacked high. Amateurs think Tactics. Professionals think Logistics

I just found this thread and it is REALLY good. from the posts of C5 at first, I was hooked and nodding agreement. I started to skim quickly as I have to get to work and then saw Denob's Darnit, Darnit comment 😀 as he too had the same idea. I will read it all later but had to mention that it looks interesting as heck. 😎

As I've read much from others on bugging out, I've often wondered where I could bug out to. I live where everyone would likely try to head for...in the middle of nowhere. Still, most folks here had to relocate elsewhere back in 79 when we lost over a million acres to forest fire in NW Ontario. I stayed as I was drafted to fight the fire and most other bush workers did too.(it's that or jail time by Canadian law). Other than fire, this is where folks would likely head to. I've spent enough time outdoors to think I'm worth my weight in skills to sort thru most bull properly. When I listen to folks choices of carry articles, I often get confused as I rarely carry much other than a weapon, knife, lighter and a compass. I rarely take a map because I grew up here and know the areas I travel fairly well.

Now I point this all out because I enjoyed the start of this thread bcause I'm not much into the concept of Bugging Out either, likely due to where I live! But all my kids live in the city, so I still want them to be the first out the door at the first sign of real trouble. I don't trust cities as much as many of you might who have lived there much of your lives. All I know is the difference I see between city and country folk is real obvious when trouble arises. Country folk will work together during a crisis while city folk get their backs to the wall and trust is usually not an option.

It's hard not to note the links that C5 presented are totally against Bugging Out. It is good to express much of those facts that folks likely don't consider because Rambo didn't do it in his movie. Yet maybe it was the constant bashing that no one can survive the outdoors because some TV host did this or that when the camera turns off. (thus, I conclude anyone who sits in front of a tv for more than 1 hour a day is a dufuss..computers not included 😆 )

I started thinking of my youth and how we'd get friends and do a weekend camp even in the winter before the snow got deep. It was likely more for bragging rights but we had fun all the same. The comfort one enjoyed was gauged by the gear you brought. Most brought 5 star sleeping bags because it was winter. ( I don't even see bags like these anymore...canvas, heavy, real down, real baffles). We shot anything that flew or walked in front of our sights.... Yes, we brought fixin's to go along with the meat and even a box of KD, but we still all likely had as much or more skills than the authors of those stories.

Now I can tell that MrsPrep and C5 have gardening skills and likely live off the land alot more than I ever did. I know my diet in bad times would consist of far more protein(cause there's meat in them bushes) and be less balanced, but I'd never go hungry (although I would lose my gut fast from hard work) 😀 I've spent my whole summer at 16 living at the parents cabin with a friend(no electricity,wood stove) because it was more fun than living under your parents rule. We rode motorcycles to work and murdered trees for money.(bushwork) We ate mostly partridge, eggs and fish so we could spend the rest of our money foolishly elsewhere. I disliked how the author's test(or dare) was for one to quit his job and run to the bush for a year or you failed....lame!

Do you think that during WWII or any other tragic event, that men ceased to laugh or even smile. The author depicted that everyone would fail if they ever had to prove their worth after they lose all. Maybe I have more faith in man, but I think readers should be cautious to not lose faith in themselves over such a read either. Having prepared for such events isn't a total waste compared to those who don't. And Goldie's concept that a BOB is just a name, and that same bag existed with many of us before Bugging Out was ever conceived, it was just "my camping gear" then.

I sympathize with the city folk because most don't know how little they know about the outdoors as they never had the chance to learn in their youth. I read that 81% of Canadians now live in cities. Many of them have skills of little use in the country. Most deny this but know their on strange footing as soon as the tarmac ends. Likely most have only shot a gun in an arcade game as this is often the reality when I place one in the hands of a city friend. It's not hard to spot a rooky at something new, even if they proclaim experience from a story they read somewhere. Even fewer know the simple tricks to a fishing rod. They marvel when I tell them I can count the times I've been in a swimming pool on one hand, yet it is them who cannot swim!

Likely the authors of these stories are originally from the city. They obviously know few people who live simple country lifestyles. Yes, we use many of the amenities of modern society, but we would adjust just the same if you took them away. Not all knowledge from the past is lost and those who come to this forum are likely to be bearers of this old knowledge for future generations yet. There are many signs today that show we are closer to economic collapse or another great war and to ignore them is still more foolhardy compared to those who might over do it in prepping!

Here is my thoughts. Please forgive the simplicity of the rule. Its just a principle.

C5 Rule of Survival- 30 million deer in America. 300 million people. One deer per month, per person, strictly rationed. You do the math and prep accordingly.

Once "simple people", your neighbours, stop using the grocery store and begin shooting anything that moves... that abundance of game will become really scarce really fast.... if not become completely extinct as happened during the great depression. I could give examples but my time is short today. We have about 20 deer and other critters that cycle through our property. Sounds amazing, right? That drops by almost half by the end of hunting season...and that is in normal times when even the local farmers rely on the grocery store.
Here is a secret. We don't like gardening...or even homesteading, for that matter. We weren't taught how to do this and we are not particularly good at it. This wasn't part of my original survival strategy. At some point, I came to grips with that my original survival plan wouldn't work. It was just a delaying strategy...and we took on some rather challenging life changes to adapt to the new reality. Occasionally I like it...but its mainly just chores that need to get done when we would prefer to be doing something else. The upside is that I can rest in the knowledge that I will no longer starve or freeze to death without a working system.

I'd say "on the bright side" but it's not really bright...most people will be dead before they manage to catch even one deer.

They'll suck the govt teet and pray to the Walmart gods because that's what they know. By the time they realize "omg I have to fend for myself" it'll be too late. Even if they can get their hands on a rifle, they probably have no means to get to the woods. And if they manage to get to the woods, well they've probably never been to the damn woods so that'll be the last you see of them.

Basically if you stay indoors and lay low, you might just outlive most of them until the population reaches a sustainable level.

I'm Just bumping this back up. Looking back...inspite of some of my sillier posts....I think this was probably my best post ever...and it shook the temple. Its nice I can now say "Shit!" without being edited. To my critics that ran away, well, Fucking Fuck The Fucking Fuckers. LOL

All My best to those that remained..