I did watch it and it seems that doing so would take alot of steam out of anyone who was considering going this far off the grid. I always wondered about the farming aspect as again that is not something I know much about along with the gardening. I just considered that most farmer relatives of mine can't get far from the farm for holidays and thus have traveled nowhere until they retire. A demanding lifestyle it seems.

It's too bad that the days when a small farm supported the family is over too as most need to have a full time job to support a hobby farm instead. Many farmers lost their land to larger corporations and most of the small farms have gone. Those that remain today have to be big enough to justify all the equipment required to make farming efficient enough to compete in todays market. And with growth comes the use of pesticides to increase profits and thus they too then become part of the problem...

This guy just tried to do way too much all at once without knowing anything. Too many different animals all at once, all with different needs and learn as you go?

He did have a great point of what it would take to provide those farm animals with the basic needs so they in turn could provide him with his. It is essentially creating your own mini eco-system that has unforeseen expenses until your knee deep into it. So those who specialize to reduce us all in turn having to lose vast amounts of our daily life are proving that we indeed need such community efforts to exist with a proper balanced diet.

I have never considered mankind could decline but temporarily to those times such as in the 1800's as we have come too far mentally to accept such things without recovering. But we might have to reduce our dependency on mass marketing and become smaller stronger communities with closer ties to trade. Sort of in the middle of where we are now and those early days. Corruption seems to allow greed to prosper and so mankind will be better off if we find a means to not let those few on top ruin all the efforts of others. After a fall from such heights though, I doubt many would want back the debt that our present society presently faces. It's destroying those that made this debt base a part of our lives and historically recording the aspects that will eventually set us free from the repeat of such a thing reoccurring again.

So this video indeed shows us that getting completely off the grid is a pipedream. Does that mean to stop prepping? Not really but to be more realistic in approach. This maybe just means that we should start thinking more community effort and less solo. Villager, wipe that grin off yer face.... 😆

Seems like a case of "bit more than could chew". Starting slower and expending on a place owned vs rented would have been better.

My grandfather ran a farm essentially just like that (less the goats, but he had a couple dozen turkeys) with an enormous garden. He raised 11 children back in the 50s and they were expected to help with the farm. He still worked full time for the power company. The farm was low tech and it worked. Their grocery bill would have been quite low as everything was done in the farm. It was hard work, but it paid off.

Different than most of us though, he himself was raised on a farm, like his own dad and his grandad and great-grandad, so he didn't have a very steep learning curve and he know how to do things low tech.

But still , your grandfather likely didn't attempt to live completely off the grid. He relied on acquiring some of the essentials from other sources. You raise turkeys and I'll raise the pigs mentality. Thus a community becomes the better balanced eco-system and folks still have some time to relax. This is the concept I see working. And then you have the same thing where I'm the carpenter and your the blacksmith and so on to cover the variety of trades required. Then the aspect of my sons can maybe marry his daughter and so on covers the bases too.

It's much along the same principles we've been using all along but missing the mega stores which destroyed the architecture of small business along the way. It likely incorporates the barter system more and trust in your fellow neighbours honesty to make it all work properly. And if you cheat, the neighbours will all know soon enough. It worked before mass marketing and could work again.

Remember when folks said that free trade would ruin the country?

Remember when folks said that free trade would ruin the country

Making it much easier to move manufacturing out of Canada hasn't exactly helped Ontario. It didn't get any cheaper to buy a car, only the profits got larger.

Trying to do everything is a good way to burn out, You have to think ahead...I am only going to put my efforts on three things when shtf, alcohol production, sock manufacturing, and condom manufacturing, I maybe can use the same equipment for the last two. Then I can just trade my surplus for any thing else I need.

People really need to think ahead regarding gardening, its a lot of work, weather can wipe you out with a early frost, or mid summers hail storm,now I have known people who do this very seriously, entire backyards as gardens in the city, and it makes no sense to me...put your efforts into green houses...production per square foot goes up, with raised beds inside its way less labour intensive, easy to weed, simple to automate (automatic waterers), no mice, moles, deer to eat /damage your crops..a greatly extended growing season, so again production goes up big time persqft. and you have complete control over soil quallity, which brings me to another topic.. all this crap by so called experts on gardening techniques (I am thinking specificaly about that prancing perrmie asshat paul) I will give you a big secret as to what works best and with the least effort, and is free! its BS, HS or sheep shit, or other kinds. best fertilizer you can get, great for building up the soil. Its been used forever and is completly renuable!

Using manure I will out produce anyone.

Stainless yet....someone got lucky there! That is the most expensive garden ever! I'm all for the raised garden if I'm doing the bending but alwasy wondered if I could rig mini versions of farm implements to a lawn tractor instead. Why don't they make a pto on a lawn tractor? Yes, I am just that lazy about gardening at heart..... 😆

he rents. its not even his land. just his investment...unless the actual owner wants it back. I appreciate his candid video though. rare to see that type of confession with all the ego's that fly around. I learn tonnes from other peoples mistakes as well as my own.

Remember when folks said that free trade would ruin the country

Making it much easier to move manufacturing out of Canada hasn't exactly helped Ontario. It didn't get any cheaper to buy a car, only the profits got larger.

its tough but Ontario will have to face the inevitable.... the days of 40 bucks an hour to screw a nut onto a bolt are all but over. just cant compete on an open market like that. Free trade has opened up more opportunities though. we cant control the economy by protectionism, only move with it to find another niche.

we cant control the economy by protectionism, only move with it to find another niche.

Hasn't the whole picture come into view yet? What did we gain by the free trade? Is it not obvious by now that we are now being oppressed by it instead? Sure, we can buy the latest gadget today, but then deceitful people now make everything to break in a short time so as to ensure their profits tomorrow. This throw away society is making our environment a trashcan. We have to revert back to when we made things to last intentionally as this wasteful approach only suites the rich. When a product is proved inferior, it must be considered of poor quality and removed from the market. Society must not save them a seat at any table for such actions. The same goes for politicians whose vote is easily bought, for lawyers whose quality of work is measured by the thickness of the wallet and any other obvious corruption that promotes failure in society today.

Does this sound impossible? That is only because we tend to listen to the guy with money instead of the guy with logical answers. That means each person has to follow the logical reasoning instead of asking "what is in it for me". Seems we could build a refrigerator that lasted 25 years 40 years ago, so why can't we build them as good today? Instead of preventing poor quality products to sit on our store shelves, you suggest we must compete with these cheats and cheat better instead? Yes, our own country will soon be able to provide equivalent slave labour as those indebted poor folk who fell easy prey to the "buy now, pay later" scams devised by the rich will soon have to accept this imposed bondage to supply cheap labour for future endevours of the rich alter on.

Are we not even now looking at the potential for WW3 as an escape route to avoid the inevitable collapse of the US dollar. Seems the rich are working hard to convince us all with today's media that even openly backing fascist regimes is a just action today. Seems we are too busy to even ask why anymore! These too are not promoted by the poor in any way, just the rich!

How long before society as a whole finally realizes that too indeed succeed in this world, those who are really rich had to play dirty along the way....alot! Success is no longer a game of luck as there are too many back stabbers along the road to be that lucky all the time. And when these folks control those at the wheel, we all on a runaway train just waiting to run out of track!

So I think that if we have to control our economy by invoking protectionism if need be, it's a step in the right direction away from the false image presented by deceivers who consider cheating as a just way of doing business. And as Ratt's continues to say "follow the money"! This would then lead us to elect other politicians who wouldn't promote wars which only the rich need fought! And which one would let you sleep better at night?

so you got a conspiracy of the rich, crooked politicians, world war III, something about fascists.. then wrote a huge sermen all from one sentence I wrote? im flattered. 🙂

so you got a conspiracy of the rich, crooked politicians, world war III, something about fascists.. then wrote a huge sermen all from one sentence I wrote? im flattered. 🙂

So I'll slow down a little and explain more so maybe then you can draw the same conclusions? Lets just start with Free Trade. What did it do that is worthy of note? Where in today's society has it improved our way of life? Is the measures of how it was before already forgotten by the majority of today's society? Maybe that is just because you are younger and therefore never paid attention to such things back then.

Were talking only stepping back 15 years or so to when businesses started folding due to the fallout. Farmers were losing their farms as they became non-profitable... Big corporations were buying them up cheap though. This is when your small corner hardware stores started collapsing along with Zellers and other small chains like Beaver Lumber. And then the mega stores started to appear instead. The stuff was so much cheaper that we all ran out and bought their new shiny products, myself included. We hardly noticed as the smaller stores closed their doors for good.

It even took us awhile to realize that quality control had also disappeared. These shiney new toys broke in short order, but since the loss was far less, we assumed that we just got a bad one and immediately bought another in it's place. Ya, the newer model with that extra feature for the same price....

Well now we all have a house full of this short lived product line items and have thus also adapted to this new approach that all needs replacing for the newer model every few years. And for those few who wish to complain, they have masterminded all the complaints departments so you can argue with someone in India instead. Sound familiar? I bet you don't wish to do that again any time soon, do you?

When they say that hind sight is perfect, do you not also agree? Do you not wish that we could simply turn the clock back so that we could stop this runaway train which is leading our economy into collapse? If things have gotten this bad in 20 years, where will we be in just another 10 or even 5?

I just caught myself as I was going to take this topic even further away from it's title yet to discuss political changes that created this environment.... it's this progression( or is it regression) that has led many to feel that today's society is unstable and therefore we should "prepare" somehow. Did we feel this way before Free Trade and all it's influence? I know that this isn't the only element that has led to today's mess, but it contributed greatly.

Can we go back to earlier times by simply abolishing Free Trade? I doubt it! But we likely will after economic collapse occurs. Maybe someone will benefit from the vast piles of broken products as they sift thru our garbage later looking for treasure as an attempt to earn a living during a major depression.... in other words, it indeed seems very little good came from Free Trade as many of our elders warned us would happen! Seems bigger isn't always better after all!

so you got a conspiracy of the rich, crooked politicians, world war III, something about fascists.. then wrote a huge sermen all from one sentence I wrote? im flattered. 🙂

So I'll slow down a little and explain more so maybe then you can draw the same conclusions? Lets just start with Free Trade. What did it do that is worthy of note? Where in today's society has it improved our way of life? Is the measures of how it was before already forgotten by the majority of today's society? Maybe that is just because you are younger and therefore never paid attention to such things back then.

Were talking only stepping back 15 years or so to when businesses started folding due to the fallout. Farmers were losing their farms as they became non-profitable... Big corporations were buying them up cheap though. This is when your small corner hardware stores started collapsing along with Zellers and other small chains like Beaver Lumber. And then the mega stores started to appear instead. The stuff was so much cheaper that we all ran out and bought their new shiny products, myself included. We hardly noticed as the smaller stores closed their doors for good.

It even took us awhile to realize that quality control had also disappeared. These shiney new toys broke in short order, but since the loss was far less, we assumed that we just got a bad one and immediately bought another in it's place. Ya, the newer model with that extra feature for the same price....

Well now we all have a house full of this short lived product line items and have thus also adapted to this new approach that all needs replacing for the newer model every few years. And for those few who wish to complain, they have masterminded all the complaints departments so you can argue with someone in India instead. Sound familiar? I bet you don't wish to do that again any time soon, do you?

When they say that hind sight is perfect, do you not also agree? Do you not wish that we could simply turn the clock back so that we could stop this runaway train which is leading our economy into collapse? If things have gotten this bad in 20 years, where will we be in just another 10 or even 5?

I just caught myself as I was going to take this topic even further away from it's title yet to discuss political changes that created this environment.... it's this progression( or is it regression) that has led many to feel that today's society is unstable and therefore we should "prepare" somehow. Did we feel this way before Free Trade and all it's influence? I know that this isn't the only element that has led to today's mess, but it contributed greatly.

Can we go back to earlier times by simply abolishing Free Trade? I doubt it! But we likely will after economic collapse occurs. Maybe someone will benefit from the vast piles of broken products as they sift thru our garbage later looking for treasure as an attempt to earn a living during a major depression.... in other words, it indeed seems very little good came from Free Trade as many of our elders warned us would happen! Seems bigger isn't always better after all!

Nope. I'm still not gettin it...more please! 🙂

You usually post some website or a youtube link as your evidence....whats goin on?