Group Retreat/Prepper Community Purchase

How many productive people are in a community, the most active/productive are between the years of 21 and 45, those that are 8-12 are sometimes more productive than the teens, why?. Hormones, the rebellious years, the ”I know what I’m doing.” and “your to old to know what its all about” years. After 45 most of us start slowing down, and, I said most of us, not all of us. Mind you by this age, some wisdom sets in, in other words , “we’ve already made those mistakes” and a few of us just keep on doin the same old sh’t, and their mule is smarter than they are, in some case that’s their partner (or spouse). The babies (0-6) are mostly non-productive (unless you consider poop a production), 6-8 are learning the basic rules, (stick your fingers in there and you will lose your arm ( some adults never passed this stage). The 6-8 are semi productive as they want to help but are soon distracted (somewhat what ADD is like). All in all of the total, only ¼ to 1/3 are in the most productive years. So if your planning a community take this into consideration.

The babies (0-6) are mostly non-productive (unless you consider poop a production)

Hey, Doomsday Preppers has shown me some pretty intriguing ways of collecting and purifying methane into a key source of fuel! Harnassing the poop-power of infants is a great way to capitalize on an opportunity! 😉

Oddmott,
as I do not watch TV I can not comment on the baby poopers, now the book by Jean Pain, Bio Fuel and Bio Heating gives tons of info, and no squalling brats either.

Not So Young,

Here is a re-post I wrote for Mountaineer on another thread. I just copy and pasted my ideas from that thread to here. Not all retreats need to be bunkers. If you plan to build a village that can take care of itself you need to be able to get the folks with the ideas and the skills to do it not just the folks with the cash. RV's are within reach of many. Onsite self-storage facility - storage units are within reach of all. IF some could come and build now, get them there now. Others still have to earn their income but will come in a SHTF scenario. At least give them a place to store their gear. A 200 km walk will toughen most folks up. Get them ready to build a shelter, then a home. As well as get them ready to til the land by hand.

My thoughts are in no particular order below. The other thread was started by Mountaineer.

Thanks for letting me post on your thread,

Mountainman.

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Mountaineer,

Here is a quick version of the thought on my mind........(it may take an edit or two to get all down on paper, errr the screen.)

A village of like-minded folks, a butcher, baker and candle-stick maker. As starting a new village may be challenging to establish. What about....

A members only RV Park. Hear me out, please. This would be a private venture and thus less government interference. As a private venture you could select who was qualified to be members.

To start you would need the following members:

Primary Members - those who could afford to invest $50,000 right now. You need x4.
Secondary Members - Those who could afford to invest $5,000 right now. You need x25.
Associate Members - Those who could afford to invest $500 right now. You need x100.

That would give a start up budget of $375,000 to work with.

Next. The property. 120 - 640 acres. Location - TBD. Must have a water source.

Facilities: A RV storage yard - fenced and secured. Campsites - at least 150. Cabin lots at least 12. Self-storage building - with at least 150 units. 5'x10'x8' tall x100. 10'x10'x8' tall x30. 10'x20'x8' tall x20.

Thoughts. The primary members will probably want to build cabins straight away. Good.

The secondary members will want to perminately set-up their RV at a site. Good.

Everyone else will want to store their preps onsite at the storage facility. Very good.

Add to the fact that RV storage will be available.

End result, monthly income from the RV storage and self-storage. Working capital.

The people with the skills may not be the people with the money, conversely the people with the money may not be the ones with the skills.

I will update shortly.

Mountainman.

Quietman,

Howdy. Remember this is NOT my project. I am trying to give Mountaineer some ideas.

Mountainman.

Mountaineer,

I will continue.

One BIG advantage to approach this as a private RV park would be that as recreational property money lenders would look favourably at the project. This helps the core project as well as members who may have to borrow funds to get set-up.

Other ideas. This should be a self-sufficient community. Solar power. Wind Power. Micro-hydro. Any other method(s) of keeping off grid power. Composting toilets should be promoted and encouraged. A source of wood shavings would be helpful. If a septic system needs to go in, it must be a very low water system. RV's are already setup to use very low water in the toilet system. Grey water must be kept separate from the black water. So, a grey water system that can be collected from all units to irrigate the grounds, gardens, or have in reserve for fighting fires. A pond system can also be used to filter the grey water.

I agree with quietman, a greenhouse makes sense on so many levels. Self-sufficient at power, water, sewer and food production. An environmentally friendly, self-suffiecient, RV park. Talk about contradiction/paradoxes.

Solar hot water heaters. Windmill water pumps to fill a water reservoir.

Back to other thoughts, sorry this jumps all over.

Another advantage of an RV resort type setup. Until structures could be built post-event, RV's can be lived in. Networking can continue and training could be conducted at the "resort" until time to bugout. And if, the time for bugging out never comes you have a first class location to go and relax with a whole bunch of like-minded folks - who are now your friends.

An advantage of having the onsite storage, is quite straight forward. Being able to store your gear and supplies in a secure on site location allows you to stockpile needed items without having to transport them during a crisis. This mean moving fast and light.

Having primary members living onsite from an early stage means that you have an onsite security force to protect the stored equipment and gear.

This idea may generate a bit of interest and may need to be refined further.

That's it for now. I will need some more feedback, so I can focus the idea further.

Mountainman.

PS - I am in the position to be an associate member at best.

Mountaineer,

A couple other thoughts.

The site would want to have a fuel storage facility (underground, doublewall fuel tanks) - diesel and gasoline and naptha. Gravity feed to fuel hoses.

The property would want to be defendable. No crazy bunkers and sentry towers with razor wire on the perimeter. However, it must be able to be landscaped so that anyone trying to gain access to the property WILL BE detected. IF, needed for a full-time bugout location the resources must be available to increase the defences. A layered defence is the only way to go. Before an event the layers can be landscaped to look very pleasing to the eye. Some layers can do double duty as gardens - I recommend this practice whenever possible.

You would want ONLY one main entrance. An emergency exit would be wise, but it would have to hold out unwanted visitors.

The real estate would want enough drop to be able to have a gravity water, grey water and sewer system.

That's it for now.

Mountainman.

I found an eco village website that seems to be built along similar lines to what is being proposed. This community/neighbourhood is relatively self sufficient so you may be able to get some idea's from the site to further encourage more discussion and planning. All input on this topic (and the other thread/s along this line) is awesome....keep going
FYI "Earthsong Eco-neighbourhood" link
http://www.earthsong.org.nz/about/sustainability.html

NotSoYoung,

You posted this question, are planning to respond to the preppers who are providing you with some ideas??

I have noticed that many of the responses are from persons who post often, 400+ posts. These people are not the fly-by-night folks who visit the Forum and then post once or twice and then are never heard from again.

You have some very knowledgeable folks participating, but before they can provide more information they need to hear from you again.

Please post a reply, this is a very interesting topic. I wish you all much success.

Mountainman.

Last visited:Fri Jun 08, 2012 1:02 pm

So many come and post things then disappear, why and I just wonder what is going on?

I like the idea of the RV park, or at least some sort of private club. Modest yearly dues could be charged and the funds applied to infrastructure such as a well, septic system, or other installations. Some members may even be interested in donating spare equipment. I had mentioned in another thread that I have an old Ford van that I am about to retire at the end of the summer that could be used on private land without registration or insurance. Others may have extra construction tools or materials or maybe even just a few panes of glass to go towards a greenhouse. I think that everyone would have something to contribute.
Obviously, funds raised would have to be accounted for, but that is easy to do.

On a personal note, I would not be looking to relocate and live there full time, my plans to bug in as much as possible are too advanced to just pick up and leave, but a safe bug out location is something that is interesting to me and the fact that many of my prepper "friends" would also be there just greatly increases the appeal.

This is quite an interesting thread and I hope that things progress.

Like this thread
Retired so have time and strong back too
Hope too be part of this type of community some day
Please keep it goin
Hobo

Interesting thread. Would love to see something like this come together up in Northwestern Ontario somewhat near Thunder Bay. I'd be very interested in that.

Cheers... Joe O'

An interesting idea, indeed...
I'm just wondering how this may work out with the people here so geographically distributed (from Quebec through Southern Ontario and up to Thunder Bay)...
I guess there will have to be a few such locations, possibly operated by the same private club.
This may actually have several benefits:
- Financials may be shared between the location, so that those with fewer members or with members contributing lower shares would still be able to be appropriately equipped.
- Club members will be allowed to any location (which may come in handy when the SHTF while you're travelling).
- If one location becomes too "hot" for some reason (physical environment, population pressure, etc.), the group would have a backup base or two to retreat to, at least temporarily.
I can think of a few more pros, but these are the most obvious ones.

The cons are, of course, added logistics, and potentially having to stretch the initial capital thinner across the multiple locations.

One more positive aspect of having a "private club" style retreat is that the club may purchase the preps for the BOL in a centralized manner, thus:
- Easing the burden on each individual member;
- Spearing the members multiple trips for stocking and restocking the BOL preps;
- Possibly getting some good bulk discount deals;
- Having someone keeping a watchful eye on the location (and the preps in it) for all the members, rather than everyone having to take care of that...

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Hello everyone,
My boyfriend and I take possession of a large rental, farm property 1 hour north of Waterloo, Ontario, on July 1. The property has a river running through it and a spring fed pond... great area for hunting as well. We would have preferred to buy, but beggars can't be choosers. We wanted somewhere to go in case the SHTF TOMORROW! Anyone in our area that doesn't have a place to bug out to....lets talk. We know there is safety in numbers and want to build a small community of like minded persons who will watch each others backs when it all goes down.

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