Here is the response from a manufacturer:
Could be yes. Mylar is really just a trade term. There is no such thing as a true "Mylar" bag. Our Mylar bags are PET/Foil/Poly barrier bags. If you are using these bags for food packaging I would make sure they are food safe first. Our bags are food grade because of the PET.
I'm sure the Chinese knock-offs are food grade to some extent but this leads me to be concerned about the types of plastics used to the make the bag. If it contains HDPE (high density polyethylene) as opposed to PET (polyethylene terephthalate) from traditional mylar bag sources then the plastic contains BPA. While HDPE is approved by the FDA for food grade materials such as buckets and the inner lining of cans it can still leak BPA. While HDPE plastics leech smaller amounts of BPA compared to other grades/types of plastics this is still bad stuff that I don't want my food touching for the next 30 years. PET (polyethylene terephthalate), which are the only type of plastic contained within the mylar bags that I get, do not contain BPA.
So the next move is to contact the company directly and ask them. I'll post their response here.
i know it's food grade but i don't think the guys in scarborough will know. i think we have to get them to get the info from china.
when i first checked them out i did inquire
i know it's food grade but i don't think the guys in scarborough will know. i think we have to get them to get the info from china.
when i first checked them out i did inquire
You know its food grade?
Just wondering how you know this but the people selling them to you do not?
Get the info from China? lmao!!
I did my due dilligence when i was searching for a supplier, and like everything else you get what you pay for. And for the good stuff you will pay. I would only put my families food in "Food Grade" FDA approved bags.
I chose a U.S. company, see their product description below:
"Mylar bags (foil pouches) will insure your food will be available when you need it. Made of a multi layer poly and aluminum foil laminated together. Mylar bags (foil pouches) are used for long term food storage because the metal barrier protects food from moisture, light and oxygen. Air cannot get in or out of a properly sealed mylar bag.
- Heavy duty bags made of Silver 4mil Laminated PET/Foil/Poly barrier film
- These bags are popular due to their good puncture structure, outstanding barrier, and relatively low cost characteristics
- FDA approved and used in the food, medical, & general industry
- Made in the USA".
I have purchased and re-sold almost a thousand of these bags and have no complaints other then I would have prefered a thickness over 4mil.
Folks might want to check out Uline in Toronto.
Their large mylar bags are 4.4 mil and are handy for using in 5 gallon buckets.
http://www.uline.ca/BL_5552/Food-Bags?keywords=Mylar%20Bags
Arkbuilder
Folks might want to check out Uline in Toronto.
Their large mylar bags are 4.4 mil and are handy for using in 5 gallon buckets.http://www.uline.ca/BL_5552/Food-Bags?keywords=Mylar%20Bags
Arkbuilder
Hi,
$171 plus tax for 100 5 gal bags = $193.23 or a $1.93 per bag, not a bad price, and local avoiding shipping charges. Good find.
But, steer clear of those 2 mil bags, you will poke holes in them when you vaccuum seal them. I popped a number of the 4mil 1 gal bags, check your containers a week or 2 after you pack them, it takes a while for it to inflate again through a pin hole.
Oh and if you can find them, i use and sold alot more 1 gal bags then 5 gal. You can still pack multiple bags in a bucket and you have a more managable portion once opened.
Spinkx,
you sell them right?
what is the price and sizes then please
your in Oshawa right?
Spinkx,
you sell them right?
what is the price and sizes then please
your in Oshawa right?
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i know it's food grade but i don't think the guys in scarborough will know. i think we have to get them to get the info from china.
when i first checked them out i did inquire
You know its food grade?
Just wondering how you know this but the people selling them to you do not?Get the info from China? lmao!!
I did my due dilligence when i was searching for a supplier, and like everything else you get what you pay for. And for the good stuff you will pay. I would only put my families food in "Food Grade" FDA approved bags.
I chose a U.S. company, see their product description below:
"Mylar bags (foil pouches) will insure your food will be available when you need it. Made of a multi layer poly and aluminum foil laminated together. Mylar bags (foil pouches) are used for long term food storage because the metal barrier protects food from moisture, light and oxygen. Air cannot get in or out of a properly sealed mylar bag.
- Heavy duty bags made of Silver 4mil Laminated PET/Foil/Poly barrier film
- These bags are popular due to their good puncture structure, outstanding barrier, and relatively low cost characteristics
- FDA approved and used in the food, medical, & general industry
- Made in the USA".
I have purchased and re-sold almost a thousand of these bags and have no complaints other then I would have prefered a thickness over 4mil.
if you followed the conversation you would have seen we were talking about pet bpa we know its foood grade just not what poly they used
For small quantities I don't see why you would use a plastic bag(or plastic anything) at all. Glass will last forever - totally inert - totally re-usable. How many of us have glass jars from our grandparents? Probably used every year by them over and over. We talk about the cheap junk out there today and how paying a little more for good stuff is an investment for the future - value for your dollar.
A quart jar is about dollar after canning season and you could use it at least 50 times. A plastic bag about the same size is 20 cents.
Even large bags are of little use unless you're feeding an army. A week or two worth of goods per container is about the biggest you need.
Plastic bags are one use and toss, aren't we trying to get away from that mentality?
i know it's food grade but i don't think the guys in scarborough will know. i think we have to get them to get the info from china.
I think there's a fundamental concept here that everyone is failing to see. HDPE is considered food grade but this does not mean it does not leak BPA. High density polyethylene (HDPE) is classified as number 2 within the types of plastics and we find used in conjunction with most foods. This includes the inner lining of all your canned goods and plastic water bottles. Ever heard someone say that plastics are bad because they can leak 'chemicals' after time? BPA is what were talking about and this is why understanding the 'type' of plastic is critical here for this specific product.
While the FDA considers it safe on one hand they've banned it for baby bottles on the other. This actually started in Canada but that's another story. Here's some more information on the ban:
http://www.canplastics.com/news/fda-bans-bpa-from-baby-bottles/1001555663/
If HDPE, although considered food-grade, is leaking traces of BPA within foods on a short-term basis what do you think it will do to the foods that you have stored for years?
Mylar, as I previously established, is simply a trademark name. Traditionally, mylar has been made from Polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE) or plastic 'type' number 1. This DOES NOT contain BPA. This is the best type of 'bag' material to store your food items in.
Our friends from the original product in Scarborough that we were evaluating responded as follows to my questions:
Is this a mylar bag?
it is not mylar bag.
Are they food safe?
it is food safe.
What type of plastic is used within the bags? PET(polyethylene terephthalate) or HDPE (high density polyethylene)
for the third question,we need ask the manufaturer and reply you.
I did follow-up with them to hear back on a response from the third and most important question and they didn't receive an answer yet. Food grade or 'food safe' does not mean no BPA. My original assumption is that this particular product is made with a plastic that may be considered food grade but still has the capacity to leak BPA. This is the fundamental difference between the bag types that we're discussing here.
Why is this important?
Because BPA is nasty stuff:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bisphenol_A#Health_effects
Glass will last forever - totally inert - totally re-usable.
Completely agree. While there are cons to glass (weight, fragile) I heavily focus/use glass for long-term storage because it's one of the safest (if not the safest) materials to have your food within.
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But since this thread is about prices - here's my price:
I can get them for about $1.50 each.
This is a 20 x 30 4.3 mil bag suitable for a 5 gallon bucket.
These mylar bags are made from Polyethylene terephthalate (PET or PETE) which do not contain BPA and are ideal for long-term food storage. I've spoken directly with the manufacturer about this.
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