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Holistic chick, you may want to continue researching. Animals (both wild and domestic) do suffer cancers frequently. The only 2 "animals" that HAVEN"T been found with cancer are sharks (most species) and salt water crocodiles. Everything outside of insects/mites/etc have proven that cancer is prevalent in all forms of life on earth.

As JustABear pointed out, it's quite simplistic and uneducated to say that just because cases of cancer, heart disease, etc weren't recorded/reported it means they didn't exist. There are numerous famous/infamous individuals whose remains have been exhumed and examined, revealing that causes of death were often cancer, heart disease, diabetes, etc.

In the 1700s the average life expectancy was 42 yrs. People weren't dying of simple old age in their 40s. They were dying of all sorts of nasty cancers, diseases and other problems that we simply know more about today, but that the "physicians" at the time were simply treating with "whim & prayer".

If, in your schooling, you do have instructors teaching you such falicies and "black & white" opinions... I'd suggest you take what they're "teaching" you with a grain of salt, because they obviously haven't bothered to educate themselves in the basics.

Dear holistic chick..

I read your statement and, I was so torn, on one hand, I get what you are saying, I have my own holistic doctor, I have my own very holistic bone cracker, I am crazy about whole foods, raising, processing my own foods, finding ways to close loop my farm to be able to grow my own food, both my Dh and I do many things by hand, so that we are not just "organic pest control" we are cut it down, burn it and hand pick it type of control, as I am a very heavy gal, I continue to baffle the doctors that I am healthy, and I know its because of a combo of the food we grow/raise and eat, a combo of the fact that we are manurally working on the farm, and part genes to boot.

I was very pleased to see that you joined the list and am thrilled that you want to share your knowledge with folks, I think that is awesome and clearly given where you are in your training, something you feel called to do, or I assume? that this would not be a path you would choose to be following.

I am sorry you felt "Judged", it happens in this imperfect world of trying to find the right way to write something, without being able to see someones face, and their motives, I can say this, just as you believe in your path and your choices in life strongly, the others that have found this board value that same freedom to see life though their eyes, their values and their life experances.. clearly everyone on this board does have the need to have their minds expanded, otherwise we would not be seeking each other or this board out, we want to have the basic's confirmed but I think most of us want to be challanged as well.

I have been hunting wild game since a very young age (starting at eight, back when my folks paid me a dollar for every gopher I shot out of the patures) and as I do alot of my own butchering, having started small animal at a young age and helping the adults from about nine years old forward, I have to say that you learn quickly that even a animal that appears very healthy on the outside can have surprises when you butcher out, there is a reason that good hunters check each organ carefully for a number of different things, without wanting any kind of fight, it would be fair to say the amount of wild critters that have shown signs of health issues reflected in their organs, is on par with the amount I see in my own carefully raised oragnic farm animals, I can not speak for feedlot or factory raised animals.

I for one, am always ready and wiling to learn, and hope that you will stick around and provide insight, information and detailed idea's or thoughts on things that will prove to be helpful to many on the board, knowledge is power, but questioning is also a powderful tool..

When I was a child and I would make a statement, my parents rarely said, yes or no, they would say, Why do you feel that way and can you prove it? The hours spent researching things in books and or doing things first hand so that I could explain "why" I felt something was true, proved to be a valuable lession indeed, I rarely take anything at face value without data or first hand knowledge, but I am always seeking out the new and trying to expand that never ending quest for knowledge and I have to say that I have found the board excellent for that.

Holistic Chick:

I respect your opinion, I rejoice that you can live as you wish to. I believe many things that you do. But, saying things like "Atleast I know, myself and my kids will NEVER get cancer or heart disease or any of those things that aren't necessary ..."
is naive, at best. Aside from external factors, like smoking and diet, that we control, heart disease and cancer have a huge genetic influence. I work in health care and I see first hand people who watch what they eat, don't smoke, are active and still drop dead in the 40's. I don't want you to think I'm singling you out. There have been other comments made on this forum were I find myself disagreeing. For example someone said that there was an all vegetable diet that cures type 2 diabetes. Absolute and utter nonsense. If you have full blown diabetes, your pancreas is finished and no vegetable in the world will bring it back. If you are diet controlled, and many are, then yes diet is everything. I mention this because it is another disease that was well documented long before commercial processed food was invented. Why do we hear so many now, education, communications, and 8 billion people (give or take a couple). We need to find a happy medium somewhere and that is for each of us to determine for ourselves. Again, I respect your opinion and rejoice that we live in a free country that allows individual expression.

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Well, i'm glad I found this site, and I'm glad to be here, and I do believe in what I study, and I think everyone here is really cool! We just have to agree to disagree, and I will try to keep my opinions to myself! I guess I thought I was being ganged up on, and felt somewhat defensive, and I don't want to feel that way. It's all negative which is what I want to avoid, and I thought this site was perfect, and it is! Thanks farmgal, and remington for trying to understand where I'm coming from! And no ill will towards anyone on here, you weren't judging me. Just stating your opinions, and that is you're right. Maybe I shouldn't say we will never get sick. But I truly believe that we won't, and I guess I have to believe that, otherwise I'm wasting my money on expensive organics and driving out of town to buy them, and wasting my time making my own shampoos, soaps, moisturizers, toothpastes etc, and making my kids smell vinegar, lemon juice and baking sodas rather then beautiful flowery detergents to clean my house with! lol

otherwise I'm wasting my money on expensive organics and driving out of town to buy them, and wasting my time making my own shampoos, soaps, moisturizers, toothpastes etc, and making my kids smell vinegar, lemon juice and baking sodas rather then beautiful flowery detergents to clean my house with! lol

I don't think many would tell you you're wasting time/energy at all... but if there's one lesson everyone here has probably learned throughout all our own unique experiences is that nothing is absolute. We can do all those things and live as purely as possible, and still fall victim to genetics and freak occurances.
All we can strive for is to reduce the potential of developing dangerous and terminal illnesses as much as possible and enjoy the fringe benefits that healthier lifestyle brings with it.

Health is a mixture of science and art. At any level it has to involve the patient and belief and trust is most important. In the end regardless of the method you have to believe in what you are doing. It is clear holistic chick that you are passionate about what you do and that you BELIEVE in it as well. I in no way meant to judge or degrade your science, your art or your belief. Truth be told I would be very happy to have the level of confidence and dedication that you have toward my own personal health. I will tip my hat to you sincerely and simply ask you to keep in mind that there are indeed 2 sides to every coin. Sometimes heads and sometimes tails... and very rarely it will land on the edge. Be well and "Give 'em Hell"...
Cheers.

Gravlore:

Yes, I did read it that way. You are also correct, there are no absolutes in this world and I came across a little too black and white, my apologies.
Also, Holistic Chick has another great point, mental attitude is so important. This is a great forum and we are all on the same side. (people look at us funny). Those same people who think SHTF can't happen, now that's crazy.

Happy Prepping

I'm not trying to be judgematic. If I seem that way, I apoligize. I'm not a medical history major, but I do read alot about the past, the way they live and why they died. Such as scurvy, lead poisoning, blood poisoning and the such. I'm not trying to be a know it all, but I do tend to research before I put any thing to script.
AGAIN I'm sorry if I stepped on any toes, I'm a clumsy dancer.

No one needs to apologize, and everyone was right. I apologize, I jumped the gun and accused people of judging, when all you guys were doing was stating your opinions. I believe what I believe, and shouldn't force that on anyone, as I don't like when anyone does that to me. And until I graduate, I should keep my opinions to myself anyway. lol I read a lot of the posts in this site, and I think everyone here is real, and good and caring as well as intelligent. We obviously all have a major common belief, and that is why I am very happy I found this site because most people I associate in the "real world" would never understand the many reasons why I think the world is a very unstable an scary place at the moment. So, please, do not apologize, no one did anything wrong, but just made me feel very welcome here!

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Holistic " medicine" and lifestyle is a very interestimg religion.
Some very good ideas, but my concern is some of the claims made that just don't add up. There's good nutrition and exercise... And then there is everything that goes with it....and like every religion the "true believers" keep the beat going...

I have worked in health care for 31 years, next month. There is one thing that I know to be true, the more we know the more we realize that there is so much more to health care than our western style. Chiropractor, I was skeptical until I tried it.
Acupuncture, the same. Therapeutic Touch, sounds crazy but, Google it. Until it was done on me I did not believe. When I was 20 everything was simple, the world , black and white. Today, at 53, the world is all shades of gray and every day I learn how little I know. Makes getting up tomorrow fun.