Weapons for Self-Defense in Canada

It would benefit anyone concerned about self defense in Canada to read the new law concerning self defense and the defense of property in Canada.
It is bill C-26. A link to the summary is here:
http://www.parl.gc.ca/About/Parliament/LegislativeSummaries/bills_ls.asp?Language=E&ls=c26&Parl=41&Ses=1&source=library_prb

Here's some of the info in it:

Section 34(1) of the Code, therefore, permits the accused to stand his or her ground, even when there is a possibility of escaping the situation. The question for the court is whether the force used was necessary to enable the accused to defend him or herself, not whether such a defence was wise in the circumstances.

Section 34(2) applies where the accused causes grievous bodily harm or death, whether intentionally or unintentionally, in responding to an assault. The accused is justified in the use of such force where he or she was under a reasonable apprehension of death or grievous bodily harm from the initial or continuing violence of the assault and believed, on reasonable grounds, that he or she must use such force to preserve himself or herself from death or grievous bodily harm. Establishing “reasonableness” involves considering many factors, such as the relative size and strength of the two parties, whether the aggressor was armed, and any prior threats made against the accused.

...things that make you go hmmmm....

Too many variables that are reliant on someones (Judge) opinions.

Should be able to defend your property by any means you choose. If someone is doing a B&E you should be allowed to shoot them. I betcha overnight there would be a 90% decline in B&E. Our system creates criminals because it allows for criminals.

This seems to me to be a move in the right direction.

Although I haven't done the courses in almost 10 years, I recall that you could do the hunter safety, the Unrestricted and Restricted PAL courses in a single weekend. Cost an arm and a leg, but you could do it.

I remember taking the weekend long Hunter course. The Unrestricted Safety stuff first that was like 8 hours, which I'd done already for my PAL but had to do anyway again as part of the Hunter safety. The next day was hunter safety and rudimentary survival and animal identification stuff. Another 8 hours. And then the Sunday morning was the Restricted safety material...and anyone doing any of the three did the testing in the afternoon. Done by 5pm.

The courses are easy, as it's really just common sense. Passing the safety courses doesn't necessarily mean you'll get your PAL though, as it was just required for the application and you still needed to get the government stamp of approval. I hated that it cost me like $125 back then to take the PAL course, and another $60 on top for processing fee for the Non-restricted PAL.

Runs With Scissors.

Hey Gravlore
I don't know that a change in the gun laws would help
look at the states they have a much more relaxed out look on firearms

Does this stop crime I do not think so
The general populatin and cops get long guns and hand guns so the criminals get machine guns
The general population and cops get machine guns so the criminals get armor piercing ammo
The pop and pol get armor piercing ammo the crims get rocket launchers
And so on till there are fears of chemical and biological weapons
Once it starts where will it stop I don't know
I JUST DO NOT KNOW SO I PREP!!!!!

In simplest terms it is war between the criminals and the rest of us. It will always escalate no matter what. If you are allowed to shoot the person doing a B & E then they will enter your home with intent and capability to shoot you first. There is no win or lose... only each side attempting to one up the other.

In communist system it was IMPOSSIBLE to buy any gun.To buy hunting gun you had to go for very strict course and than to purchase a gun they checked the whole family backgrounds and history .Little question and you are out . But so many people still had guns .(illegal) The different was that if you used gun to commit crime your family will not see you or hear from you for a VERY VERY long time.And the prisons were not recreation like in here.I bet that crime with gun was almost unheard of.
It is not the gun it is the punishment that makes you think twice how you use gun Henry

henry

This is why I do not have a gun. I would be in jail for protecting MY crap. I guess as a good Canadian I should cower in a corner and call the RCMP and hope they get there in 6 hours or less and hope I haven't been shot and the wife raped by some asshole. This is the society of people who are not allowed to have castle laws. You enter my home and I should be able to use ANY force I deem necessary. Nobody gets hurt if they don't come INTO my home.

Just sick and tired of this liberal socialist horse crap of a society we have where criminals are treated better than everyone else. Kill me and you get 3 years in jail BS. Our system is a friggen joke and should be thrown into the abyss along with the devils who created it / voted for it.

Come on Gravlore, stop beating around the bush and tell us what you think!

In a shtf situation...are you really concerned about legal and illegal weapons?....I for sure will be prepared!!!

Just a couple of things, hope I can remember right

To get your restricted firearms lic., the coarse and test can be done in the same weekend as your non restricted. Sure there are a few more hurdles, such as an interview with the cfo, waiting on paperwork to be filed, and going through a bit of a waiting period.

But during the phone interview with the cfo the will ask why you want your restricted firearms license. The only 2 correct answers if I remember correctly is 1) looking to join a gun club, or 2) as a collector.
By saying you need it for home defense is a quick way not to aquire this lic.

Personally, I believe that when it comes to firearms the law abiding public should have access to pretty much everything that our leo's have. I think many people would be shocked to know just how little trigger time that our officers put in per year.

The person who chimmed in about crime in the states and how their more relaxed gun laws have not done much. I was under the impression that in states who have similar rules as ours such as California
, Illinois, and New York, that violent crime is much more rampant on a per capita bases over states that allow for both more open and conceal and carry.

To me this would ring true.... criminals will always feel more secure in their actions if they know they will be able to pull it off without much risk to themselves. Criminals will always find a way to get illegal guns and aquire guns that I, a law abiding citizen cannot own. So a armed criminal in Ontario must feel pretty good about their chances vs lets say that same armed criminal going to rob a person in a state that might be exercising their right to be armed.

There will always be crime, just think the people who are the funders of our government should have the right to protect ourselves and our property.

I started taking the restricted gun course (2 days) and after few hours first day I walked out.After hearing all the regulations and rules I told the instructor (know him personally) it would be much simpler to get the gun on black market.I leave deep in a bush but I would not be able to fire it on my own property. That all I can say because You newer know who is reading our postings.
henry

Anyone with a PAL is still in the system. That is my beef. BEFORE things go to crap they may not search your home for weapons but its a chance not worth taking IMO. Criminals can get guns so I must assume the only people that do not are law abiding citizens. So why all the paperwork for someone that is not a criminal? Talk about the wagon leading the donkey.

The AA-12 is still on my X-mas list. 😈

Hey Henry,

I know exactly what you mean... the only thing I do not get is that it is not exactly true that you could not fire your restricted guns on your property. I will tell ya what we were told in our class is that for a person to be able to shoot their restricted guns on their own property all they need to do is call up the CFO and have them come down to see if it would be "suitable".

Now living in Toronto forget it, but you said you are in the bush. If you are remote and have a suitable area to discharge your restricted firearms you just might get approval from the CFO. Is it a pain in the ass? Of coarse. There are a lot of things that don't make sense, I can own an AR15 but cannot own an AK47. I guess the AK is too scarey looking.

As for your comment Gravlore you are right... get a lic for anything and you are in the system. As for the search and seizure one only has to look what happened after hurricane Katrina hit. The LEOs went door to door looking to confiscate law abiding peoples arms leaving them unable to defend their homes and belongings. There are a lot of good leo's and government workers out there but it really seems like the scales have gone from to serve and protect to more of a to fine and collect.

... and the AA12 is that not a full auto shotgun lol