Top 5 worst areas to be in a SHTF scenario in Ontario

HandyAndy :good choice3 of topic always some one with a point we may have missed
Sacraed : When I think of problems with bikers, it's the 1% ers not just Bob with a bike
David Thompson: Good points much the same with my thoughts, its the people that will be the the problem and the gangs are already one step ahead on the forceing people to do what they want or violence ready skale

For my 2 cents stay away from large populations, entry to Canada routes and main highways 17, 400 to 69 or hwy 11
If you think it is necesarry to bug in in the city look to your defences
Make sure to have a good BO plan even if you do not think you need it
Be safe all

And what are your thoughts ....
I have always been told once a criminal always??
What would someone who is out on parole no job only welfare do when the SHTF and no hope ?

Honestly, a lot of the folks I work with are in survival mode now and are probably doing pretty much what they'll be doing if the SHTF and everyone else is panicking. That was especially true when I was working outreach on the streets. Now that I'm working indoors again, the people I'm working with have a bit more stability in the form of "three hots and a cot", but many have been in that survival mode for long periods as well. Think about it, a lot of the folks are in and out of jail on a regular basis, in many cases they eat better in jail than out. They're not afraid of jail now, it's just an inconvenience. Yet the chances of getting mugged, even in the 'bad part of town', aren't as huge as people think. They may not be afraid of jail, but they still possess the same skills of risk assessment as any of us, maybe even better... I mean, If I'm desperately hungry and I try to jump the wrong person for their food, in the end I'm still hungry and I just got the pi** beat out of me. They may *test* you with a loud threatening confrontation or even try to throw a punch, but if you turn out not to be an easy mark they still have self preservation in mind as much as any of us. TBH, I'd say that most would turn to scams, hustles, foraging and sneaky theft to get what they need rather than force.

Another thing to consider is that for a lot of people with addictions, that addiction will be a priority right up there with food water and shelter... In many cases as it is now, their addiction is more of a priority. If you don't look like you're holding, you're not a priority.

Then there's health. If anything, people who have experienced homelessness are more mentally prepared to deal with a SHTF scenario than anyone. Physically, maybe not so much... Homelessness and addictions are incredibly rough on the body. I'd say the majority of homeless people have some sort of health condition, and often several at once. Poor nutrition, addictions and withdrawals, chronic pain, pneumonia, hiv/aids and Hep... The ability to actually go out and mug people even *if* they wanted to may not be there for long in a mid or long term scenario.

Honestly, I work with a lot of good people who are just in prolonged bad situations...

Greetings All:

Many good points. However, I live about 4 km from the Darlington Nuclear plant and it does not worry me in the least. Do a little bit of homework. Candu reactors do NOT user enriched uranium. They cannot "melt" like the one in Japan or Cherynobyl. If you take the heavy water away it just stops. There are many other things that worry me more.

Sacraed: I concur with your sentiments on "bikers" in general, but I think David was referring to OUTLAW bikers. Outlaw Motorcycle Gangs (OMG's) - as well as all other organized crime groups, and the street gangs in their employ - will definitely try to take advantage of the chaos and anarchy, and expand their territory/resources/influence post-SHTF. Wherever there are OMG's and/or street gangs, there will be big trouble.

Prepare to prevail!

An interesting post. I'm wondering how long geography being a factor would play a role if the SHTF. Concentrated populations would be a concern when food and equipment distribution is interrupted. But when those people start to fan out, what is left in those centers? Would they actually provide a benefit for scavenging useful items? This is a great question for the fact it asks a question that we all need to run through with a multitude of variables. On the other side that "safe haven" now could be the exact opposite in 6 weeks..6 months... The collapse of the roman empire always pops into my mind whenever I think of major centers. And what happened was exactly that when that empire collapsed...the population started to spread out and return to rural areas.

Just a note on the Nuclear Reactors. CANDU reactors use heavy water in the reaction, not like other versions in other parts of the world where it is solely a coolant. If you take out the heavy water, you actually stop the reaction. CANDU reactors in Canada are not like other reactors which "melt down." There is virtually nil chance of that happening and huge radiation clouds, etc. fanning over us. However over a long time, the potential of nuclear contaminants breaching there containers and leaching into the ground is a possibility. I"m not sure of what measures are in place at these nuclear facilities or storage facilities but would be interested in knowing. Also nuclear research facilities, refineries, etc. More learned minds then mine have probably addressed issues in emergency measures, collapse of gov't, etc. but I"ve never actually researched or read into what provisions are in place. Would be interesting to know. Does anyone know where we could get this info., or is it available through a gov't website? Knowing what the gov't's got in place to protect dangerous materials in the event of a major catastrophe would be nice.

Economic collaspe solar flare, nuclear bomb, etc
IMHO most city sheeple will stay put thinking the gobberment will come to their rescue, when that does not happen it will become survival of the fitest, most powerfull. Looting mass panic , mass die off not enough supplies to take em anywhere.....
I think there will be thousands dead within miles of any major city, trying to get out but not properly prepared or equiped, especially if it happens in the winter. How many sheeple have a good pair of winter boots or heavy jacket, let alone BOB or water rations. Can they start a fire, clean river water to make drinkable, fish hunt let alone skin anything??? They will be at this point stepping over the dead and taking from the just about dead weak confused.
Gang bangers and those with guns and ammo will survive longer then head to burbs and country looking to steal as that is what they have ben taught from society

We all hope that we never have to execute our plans on a substantial scale. If we do then it will signal a sad day for mankind. The assessment Roadrash just made would seem to be accurate. Living in any major population centre would not be a pleasant experience. Living in, or close to, a large city would necessitate these suppositions to be built into your plan. Although we may prepare for the worst we never ever want it to happen.

Thecrownsown wrote "Does anyone know where we could get this info., or is it available through a gov't website? Knowing what the gov't's got in place to protect dangerous materials in the event of a major catastrophe would be nice."

You will not find any details on government websites. Emergency Management Ontario in conjunction with the municipalities that are impacted by these issues have plans in place. Exercises based on these plans are also practiced on a regular basis. Any location where radioactive material is present or waste is stored is a potential terrorist target. Consequently details plans are not made public with good reason. Although it is never possible to plan for every eventuality you can however take some comfort that in this case the government does have the necessary plans and resources in place to deal with this type of related emergency.

When I purchased my BOL I took a look at central ontario travel time to get there NO
So I went to Lake Erie draw backs are close to USA, not waterfront but close to it flooding could be an issue
Positives lots of good farmland around,septic n cistern,fishing hunting small tight community, small BOL easy to heat, easy access for me as I belive the sheeple will head north

Although CANDU reactors have those safeguards built in, do reactors on the US side? I think Enrico Fermi Nuclear Generating Station is closest to me, maybe closer than Bruce. It's between Detroit and Toledo OH. It damn near melted down once already in in 1966...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enrico_Fermi_Nuclear_Generating_Station

Depending on wind patterns, those of us in Southern or Southwestern Ontario could be down wind from reactors in Wisconsin, Illinois, Michigan, Ohio, Pennsylvania, New York...

Mike:

That is a damn good point. I may need to do some rethinking.

Thanks,

I"m not to familiar with the Breeder reactor system. I think its the same reactor system used widely in France. However....knowing the types of reactors, locations, typical wind systems, etc. are all important factors is a great idea. The number of "meltdowns" whether big or small have been rare occurrences...but the fear about nuclear radiation, and simply the fact that they are everywhere sits in the mind of all of us I guess. Funny..how one of the most environmentally clean and efficient energy sources we have...has the potential to do so much destruction!

I'm with others who don't believe in the mass evacuation, clogged highways, scenarios. City folks will mostly stay put. The fear of the unknown - unfamiliar territory with no friends, family or contacts, armed & inhospitable rural locals, lack of survival knowledge/abilities - will keep them in place until the situation is VERY dire and it becomes clear the gov'ment can't/won't help them... maybe then the masses will flee. Even so, it will be more of a steady trickle than an instant flood of humanity.

With our abundance of land and low population density we really don't have to worry much about overcrowding or violent militias as much as our southern neighbours will.

The nuclear wind concern is one that any Ontarian south of Thunderbay has to be very concerned about though... as really no place is safe if a few of our reactors cook off. Our prevailing winds change several times each season, meaning if even a remote reactor such as Deep River's goes, it will contaminate communities as far away as North Bay, Maniwaki, Ottawa, Huntsville/Bracebridge and the huge expanse of good farmland and forest in Central/East Ontario.

Can't imagine what would happen if any of the larger reactors located in bigger population centres were to go. But, i guess if a GTA one went... we'd sure eliminate a lot of the city sheeple we worry so much about. *evil laugh* 😉

My sister worked in a hospital, and most pshyc wards are unlocked if the power is out. Some might have a lock that stays on for a while after but don't count on it.

The vast majority of "psych patients" are NOT violent. Weird yes but not violent. Very few ever harm anyone. They are much more a risk to themselves. Also because of their disadvantages they live on the fringes and have much to teach us about survival.

JAB