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(@helicopilot)
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Does anyone know the liability issues with posting warning signs about dogs . Mine is primarily for protecting us from bears but ripped a coat on a surprise visit by the jehovah witness and I have asked them not to return without calling first because the dog is over boisterous and 100 lbs now. There is liability and a bylaw that you should chain or kennel your dog if you know it is aggressive. Well everyone here have big aggressive dogs guarding , all the neighbours have big dogs on their acreages to ward off coyote packs, bears and big cats and protect from two leggeds who really should not be there and they cannot be locked up to do their jobs. I know somewhere I read discussion and the precise wording on your signs makes a difference in liability . I have told people everyone to call and tell me when they are coming so I can secure the dogs but for those who dont I want to limit the liability of them coming uninvited into the guard dogs territory . Does anyone know what wording is fair warning and yet limits your own liability ?

You are explaining the rationale as to the purpose of your dog very eloquently, which is important. I'm not a lawyer, but if I look at recent dog-mauling incidents, I don't think that signage prevents any liability. Signage would possibly sway jury in your favour if it went to court as a proof of due diligence, but the question of owning a "vicious" dog would remain. I think you would likely see a fine and the dog euthanized. Then again, you may find this is a fair price to pay for peace of mind and protection. On itself, the signage may deter trespassers, so they are a good idea. I think that the common signs found everywhere are your safe bet. In all cases, avoid making a sign that makes your dog seem dangerous. The consequences in a trial would likely be against you in that case, demonstrating you knew before hand your dog was aggressive.

In the USA, lawyers suggests to keep defense guns as plain as possible, without modification and avoid those novelty signs "trespassers will be shot" or "this house is protected by Remington" because in the event of a self defense shooting trial, it would look as though the shooter had malicious intents from the get-go. I imagine it would be similar with a dog attack here in Canada.



   
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One of my neighbours once told me that a "Guard Dog On Duty" sign is much better than a sign that says "Beware Of Dog" sign. I am not a lawyer, but was told that courts seem to like the Guard dog signs better. I personally don't know, as I only have a cat!



   
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I've had many people stop halfway up my walkway because they couldn't see the dog that was barking at them. Even had a contractor refuse to work on my house because of my dog. Oddly, the mail lady can (and does) walk right up to them no problem! Here in Quebec, they are getting a bit tricky about dogs after a few attacks, some fatal. Research provincial and municipal laws and maybe check with your home insurance just in case.



   
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The Island Retreat
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In my area, dog warning signs are mandatory. Can't say they didn't know one was there:)

120 lbs of maremma makes a good doorbell!


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In an actual SHTF scenario, I'd make sure that I took down the signs or post another one to say that I have something worth protecting. The negative of signs is that they bring attention to your location and give ample warning to the Perps so they will only come back when they're prepared to deal with dogs.

The smart approach is to dispatch the dog(s) with poison and return at some latter point to complete the recon. The largest benefit of a dog is the audible warning it provides. Any dog worth his weight should sound the alarm before a Perp can read a sign. If not, the signs are placed too far away from the home. Signs may help protect you from liability, but when the SHTF that's the least of your worries.

Prepare for the inevitable. It's just a matter of time before someone will attempt to take what you've worked so hard to build. A 120 lbs guard dog is not much of a deterrent to starving people with shotguns or criminals that would knife someone for their wallet even when no SHTF situation exists.


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The Island Retreat
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Oh, no doubt.

When "The Balloon" goes up, the signs come down:) And nothing worth protecting will be advertised.

Problem with the dog is, he can smell people and animals that aren't usual in the area a ways away. And our fence is ~150 yards from the house. So by the time he warns , anyone that was there will have time to scatter. Or scatter poison. Best thing is to have someone on sentry matched with the dog. For now, in normal times, he keeps the cougars, bears, and worst of all, salesmen, away.


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I would reccomend taking a firearms course,It Is very easy too take and then join a firearms range too learn how too use one.
I reccomend a shotgun for home defence,depends were you live in a apartment or house and density too neighbours when pick a type of caliber for your shot gun,do not forget you need too know were your bullet Is landing after It goes threw the target.I use a semiauto shotgun with bird shot for first 2 rounds then the other 2 are slugs,Also a 22lr cal pistol Is a good home defence firearm which I use for home defence too,I have bigger hand cannons but the 22 lr will suffice. 😉



   
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If someone breaks Into your home you have every right In the criminal courts too defend yourself,If you believe you will be killed and you have a firearm or sword or knife bat or what ever It Is your right too defend your self till the subject Is down or subdued,If they are down call police and keep them down,what ever you do when they are down dont put a extra shot In them,now that Is Intent too kill different story,well hopes this helps,
(I WOULD RATHER BE JUDGED BY 12 THAN CARRIED BY 6) 😀



   
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An item almost always overlooked are hinges. Most hinges can easily have the pins removed and simply pull your door off. Get a locksmith to put tamper proof hinges in



   
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Install LOTS of good motion activated lights. If you are using video, make sure they do not shine or face into the cameras. Put behind cameras

Lights should illuminate all around a house or garage, shed etc.

Speaking of lights. Beware of Christmas lights effecting by our cameras



   
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An item almost always overlooked are hinges. Most hinges can easily have the pins removed and simply pull your door off. Get a locksmith to put tamper proof hinges in



   
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PrepHer
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exterior door hinges should be on the INSIDE of the house 😉



   
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(@denob)
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exterior door hinges should be on the INSIDE of the house 😉

Absolutely right...that's why exterior doors for residential are hung to swing inward.
Commercial doors are different as many are required to open outward so that panic bars can be used for emergencies.



   
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Wayne
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Door security is positive but all doors can be breached relatively easily. One case that comes to mind was the Satan's Choice Clubhouse in Toronto. The ETF truck just hooked on to it and pulled it open. The door remained closed on the jam, but the brick wall was pulled down. Thousands of dollars of security laid waste in 30 seconds... LOL

The moral of the story is that security devices (unless offensive) only buy you a few seconds if the Perp is determined and properly equipped..


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UK vet has a good point. When you do go for perimeter security, do so as discreetly as possible. Also make the entrance way less inviting. Let’s say you have an option of dropping a good sized log or tree across an entrance but have the means to move it when needed. This keeps a car from entering. Something I have considered for my very long driveway.
If you have some coin, you can use infrared lights to light up an area. Use motion sensors etc to alert you to a breach and then use your cameras to observe what your dealing with. Today’s cameras are either very good for low light or have built in infrared lights. You can also supplement with additional infrared lights. Energy consumption is less and you don’t look like stalag 13 all the time / not drawing attention to yourself.
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