Since I'm trying to keep the Ukrainian updates thread as unbiased as I can(for being me), I thought that I should place this You Tube link here instead.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6NeosP8D5Ho

It is an American ranting against Obama, but he does come the same conclusion that I do. Some event will occur in the future to make the US look as if they have to fight... What can I say, watch it so I can maybe say "I told you so" later and you will know what I mean 😆 😎

Crikey Knuckles, you can't be saying that this is where you are getting your 'news'! Between the digressions, pejorative posturing, middle-school taunt voices, and conspiracy rhetoric, it was tough to figure out if this kid even had a point to make. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that he was trying to say, "I'm not very happy with the current administration and don't trust their motives." You will have to tell me if I got it wrong. The rest of the message seemed trite, and lacked evidence to substantiate the outlandish claims and predictions. No risk of this one going viral though, between you and I, we represent about 8% of total views after 24 hours live. Yep, two views in twenty five. Decent editing though.

Crikey Knuckles, you can't be saying that this is where you are getting your 'news'! Between the digressions, pejorative posturing, middle-school taunt voices, and conspiracy rhetoric, it was tough to figure out if this kid even had a point to make. I'm going to go out on a limb and suggest that he was trying to say, "I'm not very happy with the current administration and don't trust their motives." You will have to tell me if I got it wrong. The rest of the message seemed trite, and lacked evidence to substantiate the outlandish claims and predictions. No risk of this one going viral though, between you and I, we represent about 8% of total views after 24 hours live. Yep, two views in twenty five. Decent editing though.

I knew some would dislike me posting this.... 😆 😆

I must agree that he is all over the place with his rant. But I wanted folks to see that Americans too see through Obama's acts of aggression towards others. The point that he makes about how the US will finally stage some event where "they will finally have to rise up against the evil Russians" to save the day is what I too expect to happen. They will continue to manipulate events until they finally to get people to do their bidding. It is getting harder for them to succeed at this as many are losing faith in their government due to obvious details leaking as to past en devours. Yet they will finally hit some soft spot to achieve the war they are trying so hard to start.

No, I have no proof, just my cynical conjectures made from observations by watching how they have manipulated us to the point since February. Much damning evidence pops up showing their influence, yet many ignore it as only coincidence. Seems alot of things happen that way nowadays, eh?

Who will be the next president of USA and what is their opinion on this Russian / Ukraine issue . Obama era is almost over.

I agree that it may be over but if they start a war, does not the present US leader stay in power during that period? RT does a more one sided take by presenting how the US does what it wants, even when it is against their own set laws... https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQKnWEfPzsQ

I like the statement that the US has a new spelling for the word "Justice". It's new form and meaning "Just Us" or "Just U.S.".

I did not know that current leader would stay in power if there is a war. Is that any type of war ?
Such as a regional europe war, or does it have to be a local civil war, or a world war ?

I did not know that current leader would stay in power if there is a war. Is that any type of war ?
Such as a regional europe war, or does it have to be a local civil war, or a world war ?

I think it pertains to a major conflict in which they are presumably too busy to stop for elections and campaigning. It also would likely pertain to such events as major internal crisis such as being in the state of martial law due to an economic collapse.... Somehow that same law ties together with them not supporting a coup in another country either as mentioned in the video.... 😮 Maybe Obama just forgot to read their own constitution before he started all these takeovers and it is just a biggg misunderstanding......yaaaah! 😳

I just found this "Must Watch " video. It's title made me pass it by multiple times and the front pic didn't help either. Yet the presentation of information is well done with good points being presented to show various manipulations of the EU and the US along the way.

The sad part is the Canada's PM is partaking by stating that they wish to put the Ukraine on the Euro-Atlantic path(meaning were not there to help them but to help the EU) at time 4:40. That means Harper is saying aloud we Canadians are actively participating in this manipulation for gas rights and not there as emissaries of peace as he tells us we are!

At time 10:48 he shows the US passed a bill to bring back the cold war propaganda strategies against Russia.

US foreign affairs states crisis started when US didn't win with Ukraine's president and suggests they caused it (at time 20:00)

at 29:45, an EU speaker compares our tactics to Hitler's and is arrested.
At 35:00, Ukraine Parliament states they have put weapons in the hands of thugs, they attack the innocent, etc.
At 39:30, further proof of staged event leading to Odessa massacre by the EU backed people

I usually focus on the action and therefore don't follow all this damning discussions and such
I'm only 1/4 into this video myself, so I can't reveal any more of it yet but wished to share this with you now.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yu8KTiLsLJw

Let me know your thoughts on this too.

I knew some would dislike me posting this.... 😆 😆

I must agree that he is all over the place with his rant. But I wanted folks to see that Americans too see through Obama's acts of aggression towards others. The point that he makes about how the US will finally stage some event where "they will finally have to rise up against the evil Russians" to save the day is what I too expect to happen. They will continue to manipulate events until they finally to get people to do their bidding. It is getting harder for them to succeed at this as many are losing faith in their government due to obvious details leaking as to past en devours. Yet they will finally hit some soft spot to achieve the war they are trying so hard to start.

No, I have no proof, just my cynical conjectures made from observations by watching how they have manipulated us to the point since February. Much damning evidence pops up showing their influence, yet many ignore it as only coincidence. Seems alot of things happen that way nowadays, eh?

Knuckle I hear what you are saying and I agree that no matter what your opinion, there is someone on YouTube who has created an entire video diatribe agreeing with it. For me personally, I cannot get by on cynical conjectures and the coincidence. Within the prepping community there is an affinity for conspiracy, cynicism, and a general sense of disenfranchisement with the social order. While I have felt those emotions, they are not what brought me to prepping and I refuse to let those emotions direct my life.

My two bits.

Knuckle I hear what you are saying and I agree that no matter what your opinion, there is someone on YouTube who has created an entire video diatribe agreeing with it. For me personally, I cannot get by on cynical conjectures and the coincidence. Within the prepping community there is an affinity for conspiracy, cynicism, and a general sense of disenfranchisement with the social order. While I have felt those emotions, they are not what brought me to prepping and I refuse to let those emotions direct my life.

My two bits.

I know what you mean totally. I have stayed back and watched silently throughout the Iraq and Libya occupations and said that to myself too. It just gets to the point when you know what they say is so obviously full of BS and yet they expect us to swallow it all, hook, line and sinker! I hope that you watched the whole above 1 1/2 hour video as I did, even though I paused it and did other things while chewing on each piece of evidence presented. I like to think am still objective, even though I obviously have concluded who is to blame for these events.

It makes me wonder how well Canadians would fair if such manipulative tactics were applied on us. We like to consider ourselves a non-violent people, yet we too could likely be divided in such a manner if enough incriminating propaganda were presented to us on a daily basis. It amazed me that the US parliament even passed a bill giving them permission to use the media in such a manner. I knew Harper was in the US back pocket but never realized it was to such an extent. We should feel ashamed for our participation of this event. 😕 (sigh) Ignorance is bliss! 😐

I will again use this thread to further explain prom's question in the Ukraine update thread.
He asked about this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrG_UZibwbU and where is the proof that the Ukraine people are fascists.

The whole video shows how powerful this fascist organization is in the Ukraine. I too was unaware that it was so strong! I wish to point out specific tricks that they use to show unity and to find targets to focus an attack on.

- at time 22:30, they show the people jumping. Those who do not jump are called Muskels (Russians). Imagine that if you are seen not jumping, how much attention would be immediately focused upon you. So you jump too, but only out of fear. In this way, others now jump too and you aided in giving their organization further strength.

- at time 18:22, a spokesman shows their movements racist view. Note how many look down or away in shame, yet they immediately yell their slogan on que. The Nazi's used slogans, salutes, martyr's, etc., and mixed them in with whatever action was being taken as a way of uniting people. You accept their views because they were assisting you at the time with a cause you believed in... and human nature allows us to unite against a common enemy... the Russians.

I'm betting that if you asked most Ukrainian's in the west what those in east Ukraine did to make them hate them so much, they'd only recite history given to them by their parents. The divide seems to be something which remains from Lenin's time. So the question is....are we responsible for the sins of our father? Some might point out that we are since we are being punished for the sins of Adam and Eve according to the Bible. And this is how even tyrants proclaim their righteousness, by manipulating things to suit their needs.

“First they came …” is a famous statement and provocative poem attributed to pastor Martin Niemöller (1892–1984) about the cowardice of German intellectuals following the Nazis' rise to power and the subsequent purging of their chosen targets, group after group. It goes something like this:

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

I will again use this thread to further explain prom's question in the Ukraine update thread.
He asked about this video https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mrG_UZibwbU and where is the proof that the Ukraine people are fascists.

The whole video shows how powerful this fascist organization is in the Ukraine. I too was unaware that it was so strong! I wish to point out specific tricks that they use to show unity and to find targets to focus an attack on.

- at time 22:30, they show the people jumping. Those who do not jump are called Muskels (Russians). Imagine that if you are seen not jumping, how much attention would be immediately focused upon you. So you jump too, but only out of fear. In this way, others now jump too and you aided in giving their organization further strength.

- at time 18:22, a spokesman shows their movements racist view. Note how many look down or away in shame, yet they immediately yell their slogan on que. The Nazi's used slogans, salutes, martyr's, etc., and mixed them in with whatever action was being taken as a way of uniting people. You accept their views because they were assisting you at the time with a cause you believed in... and human nature allows us to unite against a common enemy... the Russians.

I'm betting that if you asked most Ukrainian's in the west what those in east Ukraine did to make them hate them so much, they'd only recite history given to them by their parents. The divide seems to be something which remains from Lenin's time. So the question is....are we responsible for the sins of our father? Some might point out that we are since we are being punished for the sins of Adam and Eve according to the Bible. And this is how even tyrants proclaim their righteousness, by manipulating things to suit their needs.

All I see is a march of soccer (football in europe) fans. If you would have lived in that part of the world, like I did, you would have known what kind of people join those groups. To say that the Ukrainians are fascist based on videos like that is like saying that Canadians are a idiotic, violent lowlifers based on watching youtube videos on the Vancouver hockey fans riots. Not very nice.

Here, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBF_PK03Kk
see the resemblance with the ukrainian fans? It's what this kind of people like to do and in Ukraine they actually had a "patriotic" reason to do it (or so they thought) and not just for fun.

All I see is a march of soccer (football in europe) fans. If you would have lived in that part of the world, like I did, you would have known what kind of people join those groups. To say that the Ukrainians are fascist based on videos like that is like saying that Canadians are a idiotic, violent lowlifers based on watching youtube videos on the Vancouver hockey fans riots. Not very nice.

Here, watch this video:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XGBF_PK03Kk
see the resemblance with the ukrainian fans? It's what this kind of people like to do and in Ukraine they actually had a "patriotic" reason to do it (or so they thought) and not just for fun.

Now you are just focusing on the jumping in the stands and ignoring the rest of my comment as you see a point to argue. The people rioting in Russia are united as their target enemy is their government for it's inaction against the blacks (showing racism is alive and well in Russia too).

The point I presented was "when in Rome do as the Romans do" so the crowd doesn't turn it's anger on you. I tried to get the reader to imagine the danger of not participating in that given action. Yet participating has it's costs too as others will then have to follow or become the target. It takes courage to stand up and say no to those who wish to oppress the many!

I appreciate the fact that you at least challenge my opinion and state it so directly. I view that as an awakening of the spirit to confront your enemy head on. I hope too, that you try to consider the points I present, if only as a means to better understand your adversary. For this may lead to a better understanding as to what is really occurring as each question inevitably always leads to more questions as you search for the real truth!

I found this political debate on Ukraine called "The end to the Beginning".

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Bhtb21BYy0

They mention that much of Europe is now getting news that America is blocked from completely. Is censorship getting that bad here in North America that it is now open debate in other countries?

Most of them seem to agree that the US had played a better hand then Russia and Russia loses face for not acting in defense of East Ukraine. A good debate which mentions the overall affects that certain events had upon Europe and gives some suggestions as to maybe what might be a final outcome.

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-160-the-battle-for-the-donbass-intensifies/#3561

check out :
16:10 (GMT) post, US Releases Satellite Evidence of Shelling From Russia and
13:48 (GMT) , Large Convoy of Russian Armour, Artillery and SAMs Filmed in Eastern Ukraine

http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-160-the-battle-for-the-donbass-intensifies/#3561

check out :
16:10 (GMT) post, US Releases Satellite Evidence of Shelling From Russia and
13:48 (GMT) , Large Convoy of Russian Armour, Artillery and SAMs Filmed in Eastern Ukraine

I have been trying to decipher how this could be considered viable evidence. The detail is so bad that all there is to go on is their suggestion. Why didn't they blow up the area of interest to show this proof properly? Why don't they show the collateral damage to the region as further proof of this claim? This kind of shelling doesn't involve any kind of accuracy and therefore would be deemed ineffectual as a strategy from the Russian standpoint. Either they'd have to fire heat signature missiles (which I don't think they have for artillery equipment) which fire otherwise from the shorter range tank platforms.

I even tried to follow their triangulation techniques for discerning location of these shellings from their included link for verification http://www.interpretermag.com/ukraine-liveblog-day-160-the-battle-for-the-donbass-intensifies/#3561 The 2 shots of the same location doesn't coincide with the data shown of firing in the videos that I can see. Their formula for triangulation ultimately relies on guesswork and the rest is only smoke and mirrors. Check it out!