Do You Worry That Your Guns Will Be Confiscated in SHTF?

Namelus thank you for being so blunt
That's thread was a lot of good info for people who don't know what it's like to have bullets flying by there head of watching some friend bleed out I front of you
But I really did like that part when u said about hitting a moving target not a piece of paper or like most don't in that kind of situation and count there rounds or even remember things about the shooters like if they had a knife or gun what kind of shirt they were wearing because if u can't do that they you could be shooting away and hit ur wife or child while being caught up in the moment

Those who fight fair and follow the rules when there is no law.....LOSE! Like Namelus said, the police become the biggest and best armed gang when there is no law to protect. Everyone will be on their own in a SHTF scenario and if you chose to face that unarmed, all the power to you...but you probably won't last long....unless you are counting on someone else's protection. Counting on someone else to protect you instead of protecting yourself (assuming you can) is a little selfish....and stupid. Don't expect others to do your dirty work.....carry your own weight.

GM1

"Don't expect others to do your dirty work.....carry your own weight."

I think it's fair to say that we all carry the weight in our own way. This is the attitude of someone who expects to go it alone.

If the SHTF, me, my family, gear and guns are all disappearing. No waiting around for looters or police/gov. 'thugs' to come knocking either, and that includes the pistols. If things are that bad, not having 'papers' for them won't mean a thing.

Namelus was spot on. Be prepared to throw conventional morality out the window when it comes to anyone outside your family or group.

Also, backups for backups and think outside the box when it comes to weapons. Am I the only one here that has a sword? (Actually I have two, with plans for more.) Quiet, no ammo, and extends your reach. There are a few good websites where real, functional swords of almost any style can be bought, including one in Canada. Think about that; put one on display maybe as a conversation piece, and you have a legal, functional defense weapon with fast, easy access available.

This is why getting a recurve, compound bow or crossbow is still a good idea. Not as good at defense as a firearm, but rest assured, compound and crossbow are still great for hunting, recurves still great for small game. And all are still a step above a baseball bat, machete, axe, or knife in self defense. At least theirs range.

Hey northern where's a good place to get a strong sword in the city is a katana the best or what do you recommend

And all are still a step above a baseball bat, machete, axe, or knife in self defense. At least theirs range.

you will have one shot.. that's it with a bow of any kind. Try bow hunting deer while they walk along, not at a grazing pace but actually walking.

I sometimes think that those advocating swords have been watching too much "The Walking Dead" (Season 3 onwards). I am not saying it's a bad idea for ownership, but their two inherent disadvantages:
1. They only extend your effective range by the length of the sword (minus 6 inches), so are really only good for close quarters combat;
2. Training; to be any good with a sword you need to be trained in Ken Do / Ken Po, and I mean by a master who is willing to accept you.

Sure, a sword, i.e. katana for argument sake, may be better than a knife as you might put down an assailant before they are too close for an effective knife assault. But FYI: I've seen a well-trained knife fighter, with two 12" knifes, disarm a katana fighter, in a training video years ago ....

Then, there is the old quote of "bringing a knife to a gunfight."

Arrows, swords, knives, bullets (pistol or rifle), shot (shotgun or cannon) or club; you just best know your effective range!

Not advocating one over another, I'm just saying it like it is ....

To add to gPRS comments.. Get your Katana stuck and now your sol for guy number two...

Addendum:
some swords are meant for "slicing & dicing", others are meant for "holing' & poking'", and others are meant for "slicing and poking."
So, a person could have a nice collection of swords, but have to decide what they consider most valuable to them.

Additionally, don't even consider buying an "authentic" katana" that is made in North America.
Generally, the quality is sh!t; they dull fast; and, are prone to break due to poor quality metal.

The best quality katana(s) are still made in Japan ... but they are not allowed to export (at last I was informed) unless you're approved as a "Master" by some Japanese regulatory body.

Other types of swords can be had here in North America, but a good one is "heavy" and still made of inferior metal.
Bet top dollar none will hold a sharp edge after the cutting of even two or three watermelons.

http://www.swordsoftheeast.com/thaitsukisokuetohondachikatanaktn5.aspx

Don't whack yourself on the melon with it.

Preppersaurus

... Holy jumpins kids...

We gotta sit down and have a long talk...

Namelus is right, even if his delivery is a bit angry. I suspect he's been to some of the same places I have.

More to follow in a couple hours...

-S.

Okay, here we go...

In the scenario we all want to call SHTF we have to first describe the severity of the specific situation. Let's just cut to the chase and assume we are looking at a major event wherein there is a mandatory evacuation order and refugee centres are either established, or in the process thereof... Traffic is being directed using modern COIN-OPs methods and the civilian population is being herded into processing points with the sports being readily detected by the OPs with QRF Teams, either vehicle or airborne ready to take them down. Prior to entering the processing point you will see large signs that will in no uncertain terms tell you that food, weapons and personal electronics are to be discarded at this point. When you enter a Pro Point you will be forced from your vehicle, which will then be searched by a dog, who if it finds "contraband"; in this case weapons, food or personal electronic/communications devices, will signal the handler and there will be a hard take down. This means weapons drawn, people (Tangos) being thrown to the ground and in the case of resistance, weapons discharged. Take a look around you the next time you drive anywhere in a major city, observe how traffic patterns and the infrastructure has been set up to readily funnel traffic into a limited number of sites for ease of control. Look at how easily a runner can be detected and how lanes of movement and fire are very clear for agency traffic.

Now that I've bumped up the pucker factor, let's begin the conversation, shall we?

The thing about all this is that the powers that be that will try to contain and control a population to minimize damage to the government's control and this takes time. To set up and secure a single city will take 12-36 hours, depending upon several factors. The factors are a topic onto themselves and is a discussion for another thread.

So those of you who chose to bug in, you must be made aware that if there are still any active agency actors in existence, they will first secure those fleeing, or bugging out after the net is in place. Then they will take their database and begin to hit houses of interest with tac-teams, who will be told "ammo is cheap". If you run with my pack, you know EXACTLY what that means. So this boils down to one thing, don't be there when they are. When it turns so bad that the active agencies are on the job, you will not even recognize the MO of the local controlling agencies.

If you plan to have firearms and be ready to use them to harvest food and heaven forbid, have to defend yourself, be sure you have the training. Everybody has to start somewhere, a static range with basic firearms instruction is a good start, but after you get the basics of marksmanship down, do not assume that you will be the victor in any unfortunate exchange. You need to seek out intermediate and eventually advanced instruction from qualified, experienced instructors. Be sure to speak at length with any potential instructor to get a real grasp of what they know and are capable of teaching you. There are many civilian instructors who do a good job of teaching the basics, several former military and even a few retired special forces operators who are willing to teach you how to get about in the battle space and how to effectively employ advanced techniques and equipment in (un)conventional/inclement settings respectively.

Now on to primitive weapons...

What the hell, kids, where do you get your information, comic books?!

Swords do not have a simple range extension of the length of the blade less a few inches. I have studied Kunst de fechten and can tell you that a competent swordsman can hit a target with the "sweet spot" on the blade at any distance from noses touching to 10-12 feet away. That's right tent to twelve feet. However, swords are big, long and very hard to conceal. In this instance I would recommend a solid tomahawk, with a spike on one end and a conventional axe head on the other. It is an effective CQB tool and can be used to get around in an urban environment and as a weapon in close hand to hand combat.

The idea that only the Japanese made good swords is a fallacy. I own a blade I commissioned that is designed after fifteenth century long swords and it is as light as any high quality katana, as strong and perhaps even faster into action, plus I can use mine to breach maile as well as helms. I have studied the German medieval and renaissance swordsmanship and can tell you that it is every bit as effective as Kenjutsu, the fighting art, not any of the Dos, the sporting arts. In fact I competed against a few Kendokas and they kinda got their asses handed to them. The guys who studied Kenjutsu were a different story, those guys gave as good as they got.

So for those of you who think that you will have the advantage of being unarmed, do not be so naive, please. You will still have food and personal electronics that will get you put down. By the way, at the whim of the agent on the scene, a mechanical pencil can be called a weapon... seriously, I have actually seen that happen at a checkpoint into the GZ.

-S.

And all are still a step above a baseball bat, machete, axe, or knife in self defense. At least theirs range.

you will have one shot.. that's it with a bow of any kind. Try bow hunting deer while they walk along, not at a grazing pace but actually walking.

What are we talking about? Thieves, looters? Yes it's one shot. With a recurve. Twenty yards between the shoulders. I've seen 180 yard head shots with a crossbow and scope. If theirs a height advantage they won't come near you unless it's to burn what you're in down to the ground. They might not even do that if you have something they want.

Yeah, crossbows, compounds, bear spray, nightsticks, etc. Doesn't every edge count? The point of having weapons is to protect what you have, no?

If you're so disdainful about alternative methods to self defense and hunting, then I'd hate to see you when the RCMP kick down your door.

After reading all this i have to say none of you have any idea what happens real world, this stuff only good when it is a medium level recoverable incident, ie natural disaster. And even then think of katrina and the cops protecting the rich and hanging "looters" off bridge to deter people.

if you have your weapon stowed you will die defenseless, refugees get fucked because they are weak and defenseless thinking people will help them... yeah some will help themselves to all your stuff, and this means to your women and children. you want some fear you talk to people who worked in a camp and you will hear tales that make you nightmares seem like a best birthday party memory. Make you think twice if you go with only strong words and a pocket knife which you dont know how to fight with going 5+ on one because they all fight fair.

Someone made a comment that since no handguns he feels equal and more protected... are you really that dumb? you think a criminal will leave his at home? A cop? So you are happy that you are bringing knife to a gun fight .... tell me how it goes for you

everyone talks about being able to handle a firefight, i know different, in military we train and still have lots of fuck ups that die stupidly. you think a few movies makes you ready for killing/ defending yourself.. maybe a stranger biggest problem will be those you know and know that you prep... can you do that and live with yourself? If you have a group to go together will it break up because the morality,ethics and law currently will hold sway when it is every dog for himself.

Remember the police consider themselves the worlds biggest gang and you are the enemy against which they fight, they dont help you, just look in news if you dont believe me yes here in canada too. You think a police with a starving family wont be like you would if your family needs things to survive? Would never think of using service issue for that either..... just like you seeing attacker with knife and drop your gun so fair fight right?

How many of you go to range and think plinking a non moving target with earmuffs makes you a good shooter when this happens? because we all know it will be like a spaghetti western draw at high noon... no one moves and the duel it out.... get real.. you are going to be scared, tired, winded , lack of sleep multi on one, in a urban environment, you think drywall will stop any bullets like in movie? You think the 2 mags you have at 10 rounds with loose ammo will give you enough to move and fight while sending suppressing fire? Of course they will let you reload and have a time out so you can do so... and you never drop things and when and if you do it is always clean so you can use it without jamming your weapon.

in really bad situation you will hunt with only a 22 because of noise and ammo... the bigger stuff only for defense period since you cant go to store and pick up more.

anyone here even try silent move at night through a wrecked building?

now back to original thread if you are worrying then you had better decide if you want to be defenseless because some official says to keep them safe from you you better hand it over what your reply will be. Katrina the next knock door kick was from armed looter gangs. If you are going to be moral then you are going to do your defending from close as you will give everyone the benefit of the doubt, that deer rifle is an expensive club, have yet to see anyone do a good job with one at targets at 20feet and under....if you have all scoped out then you will be hitting 50 yards plus that is not exactly talking range is it? I am the devils advocate here as there is too much delusional talk about things that need to be looked at from a much different perspective. All i ask is you be honest with yourself, you get one chance you are placing everyone you care about in the table when you play this hand, what is acceptable risk and what is being stupid.

You're certainly not the devils advocate, you coulda saved yourself the time and just typed in "Damned if you do, damned if you don't" Because I got absolutely nothing from your post. Not a damn thing.